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Reply #15 - Jan 11^th, 2024 at 9:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

What's that gap between your balls and arsehole called, Frank?

Show us differential pay based on sex, slimey turd.

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Reply #16 - Jan 12^th, 2024 at 5:19pm

All those in favour of all workers in the exact same category being paid the same regardless of how many hours they work - raise your hands!!

Carried - now who wants to work fifty hours and who wants to work twenty hours or less for their $1800 a week? You can't all have the twenty hours.... plus free extra childcare money... plus paid parental leave ....plus reduced taxation ....

Just like the voice insanity - Albo simply cannot be serious about this insanity - clearly - just like the voice - he wants this nonsense to fail....

ASIDE:- NONE of this is of any assistance to ANY real battler/lifter, man or woman.... it is ONLY for the elite middle class educated women who demand to be paid the same as men in different categories .... the peasantry will still be paid the same hourly rate for each hour they actually work..... and will go backwards ....

None so blind as they who throw acid in their own eyes.... the ones usually called WOKE... well, duh ...

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Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:37am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2024 at 8:00pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/smart-living/anthony-albanese-announced-exac...

Since women are currently overpaid more than men by 7-10% per hour actually worked - if they want equal weekly earnings they'll just have to work longer hours....meantime the gender wage gap needs to be brought into line with reality......

If they lie to you about one thing, it's a fair bet they lie about everything... see the 'voice' and the missing 26 pages .... NOBODY is that stupid and can't do primary school maths to work out that if you pay a bloke $10 an hour and he works for 50 hours he EARNS $500, and if you pay a sheila $1.07 and she works 40 hours she EARNS $420.80... meantime if the bloke works 40 hours he EARNS $400....

Lies, lies, lies....

I TOLD YOU SO!!

That comes to $42.80 in my book.

Nearly what I was earning in 1973(17 yr old) as a farm hand getting $1 per hour. Grin

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Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:40am

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Judging by the lack of response here Australia has truly lost its balls.....

I'm trying to figure out what your point/argument is Undecided

He's trying to tell you what a terrible victim he has been. Roll Eyes

Well why not?

Women are crying they're gender pay/wage gap victims.....

Graps isn't a victim & neither are they because the pay gap is a myth.

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Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

What's that gap between your balls and arsehole called, Frank?

It's called a Peccary.

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Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 8:55am

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

What's that gap between your balls and arsehole called, Frank?

It's called a Peccary.

Is that the one between for transmen? Or is it a transPeccary or something?

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Re: Albo plans to pay men more per hour worked
Reply #21 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 9:04am

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

What's that gap between your balls and arsehole called, Frank?

Show us differential pay based on sex, slimey turd.

Two I can think of - public service with its never-ending preference in promotion for women - and nursing where women are always given preference. That's part of a deal - the promotions and employment gaps.

It's all lies and Albo knows that - so clearly he is scuttling this nonsense the same as he scuttled the voice..... slowly but surely putting each 'issue' into its grave by presenting it to the people for analysis and application of reason and reality.

Now then - what's this about Australia Day? That 'man' just loves to stir up a revolt.... let's give him one to remember...

I warned him, in writing and pre-election, to stay away from this crap.... under the general title of 'politics of division and policies of exclusion' ....

Now - Australia Day and The Whiners
Immigration
Ethnic Whingers
Sheila Whine and Diners-out at public expense
Let us not forget teaching and the PS (again)

All these need resolution for their installed imbalances due to exclusion and preference and the now-discredited affirmative action by any name.

The Reparations bill will be enormous for those injured by all this....

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Reply #22 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 9:43am

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:40am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Judging by the lack of response here Australia has truly lost its balls.....

I'm trying to figure out what your point/argument is Undecided

He's trying to tell you what a terrible victim he has been. Roll Eyes

Well why not?

Women are crying they're gender pay/wage gap victims.....

Graps isn't a victim & neither are they because the pay gap is a myth.

crap ... whilst the award rates of pay are the same, actual pay rates can differ greatly depending on sex. I knew of a case where a head chef in a restaurant was paid $10 000 a year more, then a female head chef in the same position at the same restaurant. The only thing that changed was their sex and their pay

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Reply #23 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 9:43am

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

What's that gap between your balls and arsehole called, Frank?

It's called a Peccary.

you stroke you balls whilst calling them peccary do you? Disturbing to say the least

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Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 5:07pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2024 at 4:27am:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/albanese-government-to-release-data-on-the-...

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In December of 1972, the Arbitration Commission handed down its historic decision in favour of “equal pay for work of equal value”.

This came after decades of campaigning by unions for equal pay for women workers.

In 1969 a union test-case was brought before the Arbitration Commission by the ACTU, resulting in a ruling for “equal pay for equal work”.

This was a positive step, but this only applied to women doing the exact same work as men.

The majority of women worked in female-dominated industries that had been systematically undervalued due to the sexism of the time and were unaffected by this decision.

Women workers and the union movement kept campaigning for equality.

In October 1969 the union activist Zelda D’Aprano chained herself to the Commonwealth Building in Melbourne to protest for equal pay.

Individual unions, such as the metal workers, campaigned to secure the demand.

In 1972 a second equal pay case was initiated by the ACTU. This case was supported by the recently elected Whitlam Labor Government and was argued for by the pioneering barrister Mary Goudron (later the first woman to become a High Court Justice).

The Commission recognised the legal right to “equal pay for work of equal value”.

This result was a substantial achievement – one built upon decades of activism by women workers through their unions.

So, you may well ask, why are women on lower average annual salaries - and lower figures in superannuation balances ?

Men, primarily, still see themselves as the major breadwinner in the family unit - as women still see themselves as mothers, caregivers and homemakers.

Now, this may not be the case in EVERY household - but it is enough to skew figures.

I have one female relative who has negotiated with her employer for shorter working hours and lower pay to pick up the kids from school.

I've just had a few months in hospital - and couldn't help noticing the vast majority in the higher paid profession of DOCTOR, are men.

The vast majority in the lower paid profession of NURSE, are women.

Government have legislated all they can, to close the so called 'gender gap'

Any further closing this gap will require massive changes to society structure and attitudes.

I cannot understand how people - politicians, in particular - fail to see this ?

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Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

there is no pay gap, but women who leave the workforce for a few years to look after kids will have lower super balances, for obvious reasons.

investing in kids is probably a more sound investment anyway , in terms of the social capital you will need on retirement.

women with no kids should have the same pay and super as men. hope they are happy with a cat and a larger super balance. i think they have probably invested unwisely and will pay a price for their decision .

social capital is as important as finiancial capital for long term security

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Re: Albo plans to pay men more per hour worked
Reply #26 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 6:42pm

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

There is no "gender pay gap" in Australia
because there is no differential pay for the same work.

There is a difference between what jobs men and women do
but that is not 'gender pay gap, it's gender work gap.

In (probably) a FIRST - Frank is totally CORRECT !

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Reply #27 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 8:14pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 14^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

there is no pay gap, but women who leave the workforce for a few years to look after kids will have lower super balances, for obvious reasons.

investing in kids is probably a more sound investment anyway , in terms of the social capital you will need on retirement.

women with no kids should have the same pay and super as men. hope they are happy with a cat and a larger super balance. i think they have probably invested unwisely and will pay a price for their decision .

social capital is as important as finiancial capital for long term security

So will those thrown on the scrapheap at age fifty, or who are robbed of their super contributions by employers, or who have been ill or injured long term, or who are disabled, or who cop divorce and lose half their super fund and are forced to re-build a lifetime of work while still properly maintaining a family that they likely never see ..........

Women are not Robinsonya Crusoe there.... FFS... wake up, Australia...

P.S. and let us all remember - the 'super contribution scheme' hasn't had the opportunity to run a full lifetime yet - say fifty years of working life - THEN we will see the results of artificially feeding women into the cushy jobs with the big pay....

Several years back I dragged up the comparisons between men and women in retirement - one part of it was that - at that time - 72% (or something) of men would retire with pension ONLY - meaning all of the above plus fees and costs would leave them with nothing.... and women 63% (or similar) ...

It all sounds great to politicians and such on their excellent super scheme that will never fail or falter due to Howard's theft of $230Bn into an offshore account - like any banana republic president - that will ensure they are paid even if they trash this entire country.

And many a fool thinks this is a normal and reasonable thing.... try thinking instead....

Anyone with any brains here to see the reality and the problem here?

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Reply #29 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 9:11pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 14^th, 2024 at 8:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 14^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

women with no kids should DO have the same pay and super as men.

... provided they work in the same occupation
- and put in the same hours

Isn't that what play equality is about - same pay for same work.

Or do you want the same pay regardless?

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