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Australia to have it's own "French Foreign Legion"
Jan 8^th, 2024 at 11:40am

Apparently the ADF can't recruit enough young locals because of the "low unemployment" economy, drug addiction history, and psychological issues due to domestic violence at home, etc, etc

https://www.9news.com.au/national/government-considers-recruiting-adf-personnel-...

Many local recruits should never have been allowed in the ADF ...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/23/should-never-have-been-al...

What do you think about all this?

Conscription is out of the question because of the new law that states: "Detention and deprivation of liberty is illegal"

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Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2024 at 11:53am

the standards to join are just too high, if they want more people to join they need to lower them

guys equivalent to the soldiers who fought in previous wars 50-100 yrs ago would be denied entry now lol

and we're not even fighting any wars our army does literally sweet f_ck all except waste money so why the hell does it matter whos in it anyway

australian employers ask too much of applicants thats why everyone is going full herbivore and giving up

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Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

JC Denton wrote on Jan 8^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

the standards to join are just too high, if they want more people to join they need to lower them

guys equivalent to the soldiers who fought in previous wars 50-100 yrs ago would be denied entry now lol

and we're not even fighting any wars our army does literally sweet f_ck all except waste money so why the hell does it matter whos in it anyway

australian employers ask too much of applicants thats why everyone is going full herbivore and giving up

Yes, they're bypassing locals and recruiting foreigners now.

Young locals have been joining the ADF to escape the rigors of civilian living but then find out that military life is not that hot either, and want out

And they'll never get a local to join who sympathizes with HAMAS and hates Jews

Refugees and asylum seekers would be very reluctant to join because they came here for a "better life", and to get away from war

And then we all know about the high rate of ADF suicides, which could be preventing a lot of young locals from joining

The ADF needs to be super efficient and technically modernized ... but what they are calling for, is Pacific Islanders to join their ranks, and other foreigners, who may turn out to be rejected drop outs from other forces, excluding Chinese of course, can't have too much diversity. Might get some foreign trans and la-di-das though, some may think that would be beneficial to a modern ADF

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Reply #3 - Jan 10^th, 2024 at 1:56pm

JC Denton wrote on Jan 8^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

the standards to join are just too high, if they want more people to join they need to lower them

guys equivalent to the soldiers who fought in previous wars 50-100 yrs ago would be denied entry now lol

The Department of Defence has changed it's recruitment contractor. It's a foreign company - Franco-Swiss-based multinational Adecco, for $20 million

Now read this ....

"The Defence recruitment contract is a particularly challenging one because Australia’s armed forces are voluntary and have traditionally had high standards that historically worked against attracting people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds."

https://www.themandarin.com.au/203462-defence-hires-multinational-addecco-for-20... - Oct 2022

It seems that Diversity is not a strength when it comes to attracting ethnics into the ADF, they either won't join or the standards are too high for them

But, the Department of Defence will be poaching foreigners attempting to fill the ranks ... will the standards be too high for the foreigners also?

The radical left politicians, Libs and Labs, have created a situation that has extinguished patriotism, patriotism has become a dirty word because of Diversity and Multiculturalism

So, "Defending Australia" now means defending "everything foreign" ... but the citizens who want it kept that way, don't seem to want to defend it - why not? ... It's a difficult question to answer, isn't it? ... Anyone wish to try?

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Reply #4 - Jan 10^th, 2024 at 3:14pm

The answer to the ADF personnel problem is simple:

1. Get rid of the civilian recruitment companies that currently run the process and put it back in ADF hands. The ridiculous bureaucracy and the amount of time taken to process applications has resulted in potential recruits getting fed up and finding other things to do.

2. Get rid of all the civilian contractors in training, maintenance and logistics and put these functions back into ADF hands. This will ensure enough trained people and create career progression opportunities that are currently denied.

3. Bring back a decent superannuation scheme that rewards people for long service.

4. Get rid of all the woke touchy feely gender affirmation bullishit and get back to the core values of the ADF.

Simples. I may also add run a good recruiting campaign on TV and on social media. Some years ago I was having a few beers with some USN people and we discussed recruiting. The told me the only US service that was meeting its recruiting goals was the Marines.
This was because instead of the glossy travel and adventure type ads of the other services the Marines basically said 'Most of you are not good enough so don't bother applying'. This attracted the right type of people. We should run a similar campaign here.

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Reply #5 - Jan 10^th, 2024 at 3:21pm

Belgarion wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The answer to the ADF personnel problem is simple:

1. Get rid of the civilian recruitment companies that currently run the process and put it back in ADF hands. The ridiculous bureaucracy and the amount of time taken to process applications has resulted in potential recruits getting fed up and finding other things to do.

2. Get rid of all the civilian contractors in training, maintenance and logistics and put these functions back into ADF hands. This will ensure enough trained people and create career progression opportunities that are currently denied.

3. Bring back a decent superannuation scheme that rewards people for long service.

4. Get rid of all the woke touchy feely gender affirmation bullishit and get back to the core values of the ADF.

Simples. I may also add run a good recruiting campaign on TV and on social media. Some years ago I was having a few beers with some USN people and we discussed recruiting. The told me the only US service that was meeting its recruiting goals was the Marines.
This was because instead of the glossy travel and adventure type ads of the other services the Marines basically said 'Most of you are not good enough so don't bother applying'. This attracted the right type of people. We should run a similar campaign here.

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Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The answer to the ADF personnel problem is simple:

1. Get rid of the civilian recruitment companies that currently run the process and put it back in ADF hands. The ridiculous bureaucracy and the amount of time taken to process applications has resulted in potential recruits getting fed up and finding other things to do.

2. Get rid of all the civilian contractors in training, maintenance and logistics and put these functions back into ADF hands. This will ensure enough trained people and create career progression opportunities that are currently denied.

3. Bring back a decent superannuation scheme that rewards people for long service.

4. Get rid of all the woke touchy feely gender affirmation bullishit and get back to the core values of the ADF.

Simples. I may also add run a good recruiting campaign on TV and on social media. Some years ago I was having a few beers with some USN people and we discussed recruiting. The told me the only US service that was meeting its recruiting goals was the Marines.
This was because instead of the glossy travel and adventure type ads of the other services the Marines basically said 'Most of you are not good enough so don't bother applying'. This attracted the right type of people. We should run a similar campaign here.

Spot on.

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Reply #7 - Jan 13^th, 2024 at 1:30am

JC Denton wrote on Jan 8^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

the standards to join are just too high, if they want more people to join they need to lower them

guys equivalent to the soldiers who fought in previous wars 50-100 yrs ago would be denied entry now lol

and we're not even fighting any wars our army does literally sweet f_ck all except waste money so why the hell does it matter whos in it anyway

australian employers ask too much of applicants thats why everyone is going full herbivore and giving up

Perhaps, but look at the kind of khunts we get in the SAS. Your average Tuvaluian has to be more ethically aligned than a guy like Ben Roberts Smith.

Enough to not want to torture civilians, anyway.

We're not defending Australia, sure. The new geopolitical strategy is about defending our trade and shipping routes: the Chows in the South China Sea, the Houtis in the Persian Gulf.

Pirates like that can do as much to fuck with our security than any bombing of Darwin or the odd midget sub in Sydney harbour. Our petrol surplus is set to last about 14 days.

Australia's defence exists far from our shores, hence the need for nuclear subs.

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Reply #9 - Jan 14^th, 2024 at 9:14pm

JC Denton wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 11:15am:

no young person wants to die in a submarine for israel, america and shipping company profits karnal

this is partially the reason no one is joining anymore - young people have rightfully identified that our foreign policy isnt actually for us anymore

Foreign policy is a different department to defence, dear. I don't think the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is having too many problems finding consular staff, diplomats and ambassadors.

Our defence is now geared towards China, who pose the biggest geopolitical threat. The ADF is being more selective because modern soldiers, sailors and pilots are required to be more cunning.

We don't just point at a target and send our boys over the trench anymore. Fighters are required to have increasingly sophisticated skills. After all, much of war is now fought by robots, controlled from many miles away.

If this triggers the old guard, that's sad. Still, I get why they'd be miffed at the idea of not to have to march around the square anymore, but sit in some office, far from the front line, on a computer.

This is the reality of modern war. The boofheads are out. The nerds, dear, are in.

Which side do you want to join?

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Reply #11 - Jan 15^th, 2024 at 1:15am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The answer to the ADF personnel problem is simple:

1. Get rid of the civilian recruitment companies that currently run the process and put it back in ADF hands. The ridiculous bureaucracy and the amount of time taken to process applications has resulted in potential recruits getting fed up and finding other things to do.

2. Get rid of all the civilian contractors in training, maintenance and logistics and put these functions back into ADF hands. This will ensure enough trained people and create career progression opportunities that are currently denied.

3. Bring back a decent superannuation scheme that rewards people for long service.

4. Get rid of all the woke touchy feely gender affirmation bullishit and get back to the core values of the ADF.

Simples. I may also add run a good recruiting campaign on TV and on social media. Some years ago I was having a few beers with some USN people and we discussed recruiting. The told me the only US service that was meeting its recruiting goals was the Marines.
This was because instead of the glossy travel and adventure type ads of the other services the Marines basically said 'Most of you are not good enough so don't bother applying'. This attracted the right type of people. We should run a similar campaign here.

Spot on.

Not really.
The reason the ADF has become like it is, with all the 'Civvy' stuff - is because it was a sad hopeless and incompetent establishment in the first place.
Everyone knows that the ADF is full of arse-wipes going off to fight 'Mercenary' missions for the USA 'tax-free'.
Everyone knows that people who come from the ADF into Society are mentally challenged because of their Anti-Social training of considering themselves 'superior' to 'disposable' Civilians. Yes, it must be very 'traumatic & depressing' to no longer be in the ADF and have to mix with the... inferior civilians. A case of the Military, not being able to be a 'part of' Society in general. Such 'isolationialism' is shooting itself in some dark room somewhere beyond... beyond even this country's borders - unable to assimilate back into this country, back into Society, back into 'life'.

So expect the ADF to change even more, rather than 'going backwards' towards what you have said Belgarion and what you have agreed to O'Fada. Do you see the Medical Industry 'going back' to training in the Hospitals and not in the Universities? Not really.
Like all 'traditionally' Government dependent industries. They're just a prelude to Australian Government industry itself, becoming a Privatised and 'outsourced' enterprise as well.
Might even sell off the ADF and buy a better one from overseas?

Also, as for Society's rejection of joining the 'ranks'?
Well, fighting for the USA's 'selfish' agenda's and not Britain's more 'international' (& Commonwealth) wellbeing, doesn't help. Fighting 'Mercenary' for the USA - well the 'irony' of privatisation is right there now. Wink

With this comes the 'stupid' reasons people would expect themselves to be fighting for. So far, the track record hasn't been great beyond the two World Wars. Vietnam and 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' bullshyte for America. Roll Eyes

Korean War - to kick yellow people out of Asia. Roll Eyes

This is what you want, well Belgarion/O'Fada - this is what you get.
So expect Society to reject your beloved ADF - because Society knows how INCOMPETENT the ADF is. Besides wasting 'their' money on some very over-priced (and not 'guaranteed' from USA's end) - three Submarines 'only'.
Besides not selling the Taipans to Ukraine, let alone 'donating' them - rather to scrap metal them in the 'pit'.
Besides the ADF (via the Politicians) enforcing ENSLAVEMENT of CIVILIANS anyway because of its incompetence to justify any good reasons for people to volunteer into a Military that clearly CAN'T RUN ITS OWN SHOW EFFECTIVELY.

The fact that the ADF will have the Politicians to overturn the Conscription/Drafting Laws soon, proves to Society that it already is a lost cause, for want of just pumping out the usual propaganda LIES for recruitment.
Yep - prey on the 'young' people, because they are too ignorant, naive and gullible to understand what an 'unjustified premature death' is all about.
If Enslavement (Conscription) is re-enforced - then it must be induced to those who are OVER-40 YEARS OF AGE. Those who have lived a life to some respectful degree, have established their lives, family and children to a more independent level and more. Plus, if you watch that Finnish movie 'The Unknown Soldier' - you will see the greater advantage of 'maturity' in the ranks, rather than 20-something youth.
MODERN WAR IS ABOUT INTELLIGENCE AND LIFE EXPERIENCE, not about 20-somethings with nothing on their plate yet, let alone CHILDREN of years 18 & 19 (teenies). Roll Eyes

Give people an alternative to just being NUKED, SHELLED, BOMBED to death from an UNSEEN ENEMY a long way away and you might get a flood of volunteers. Why join something to be a 'target' for a machine?

Australians would rather have their incompetent and hapless ADF replaced (via invasion) by another FOREIGN LEGION who doesn't need to use 'enslavement'. Afterall, the ADF is still 'dependent' on Foreign USA & UK anyway. Wink

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Reply #12 - Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:08am

Jasin wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 1:15am:

Not really.
The reason the ADF has become like it is, with all the 'Civvy' stuff - is because it was a sad hopeless and incompetent establishment in the first place.

It was in the 60s and 70s at least. They still had WW2 training programs, WW2 6x6 Studebaker trucks, and more modern International 4x4 trucks but they were inferior to the old Studebakers. Getting around in the Land Rovers made us look like we were on safari, and most of the camps we had to live in were as old as WW2, dilapidated wooden huts you wouldn't keep your dog in. Hand grenades were WW2, and we were expected to keep our head up to see where the grenade landed, but they said nothing about the sniper who waited for your head to stay up to shoot it off. Battle helmets were WW2 American helmets. NCOs and Officers were only good-for-nothing idiots, lazing around ripping off the taxpayer.

This whole WW1 and WW2 kit and kaboodle was abandoned in favor of a more professional ADF, and not before time, but this new professional one still had/has it's shortcomings. Officers sitting at desks think that a firefight doesn't affect you mentally, the suicide rate is high, and the new lot of idiots tried to ignore it. Peter Cosgrove needs to shoulder the blame for this gross negligence, if he did anything, then it wasn't enough

The politicians run the ADF now with all their radical lefty ideas, even to the point of including poached Pacific Islanders for the ADF as part of their mass immigration program I reckon. They'll get a short cut to citizenship

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Reply #13 - Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:22am

Bias,
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Hand grenades were WW2, and we were expected to keep our head up
to see where the grenade landed

That doesn't sound right -
then you'd get hit in the face by the shrapnel from your own grenade. Undecided

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The politicians run the ADF now with all their radical lefty ideas,
even to the point of including poached Pacific Islanders for the ADF
as part of their mass immigration program I reckon.

Polynesians make good soldiers -
they have a warrior culture.

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Reply #14 - Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:49am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:22am:

Bias,
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Hand grenades were WW2, and we were expected to keep our head up
to see where the grenade landed

That doesn't sound right -
then you'd get hit in the face by the shrapnel from your own grenade. Undecided

Bias,
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The politicians run the ADF now with all their radical lefty ideas,
even to the point of including poached Pacific Islanders for the ADF
as part of their mass immigration program I reckon.

Polynesians make good soldiers -
they have a warrior culture.

Crickey no, you kept your head up just long enough to see where the grenade landed, not long enough till it exploded... use your common sense Bobby

Corporals used to grab us by the scruff of the neck and pull us back up if we ducked down too soon ... they were still training us WW2 style, suicidal hit and miss

Islander warriors like these blokes at the Summernats you think?

Perhaps they would make good recruits for the ADF after all, us traditional Aussies have lost our sting, we need a rest anyway, time to let ethnics have a go

Watch video ...

https://www.9news.com.au/national/summernauts-festival-brawls-canberra-act/1eb6e...

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