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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83302 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #15 - Jan 15^th, 2024 at 5:59pm DEI - Dead Extremists Institute...
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #16 - Jan 16^th, 2024 at 7:09pm Gordon wrote on Jan 14^th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Is this getting silly yet? https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whit... https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/johns-hopkins-hospitals-de... Anyone else see the problematic contradiction with her statement?
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Reply #17 - Jan 16^th, 2024 at 8:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 16^th, 2024 at 7:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 14^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Is this getting silly yet?

https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whit...

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/johns-hopkins-hospitals-de...

Anyone else see the problematic contradiction with her statement?

Didn't have to go past the first mention of 'privilege' ....... still waiting for mine.... I guess it must be unconscious, eh? Silly me.....

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44008 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 8:48am Three broad reasons for what we will dub “DEI Denialism”: Lack of Familiarity with the Issue Unable to Digest Arguments Recognizing Reality, but Not Caring At the end of the day, DEI is just bigotry with better branding. Don't fall for it and reject this horrible ideology. https://therabbithole84.substack.com/p/dei-denialism
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 9:01am Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 8:48am: At the end of the day, DEI is just bigotry with better branding. Don't fall for it and reject this horrible ideology. Diversity, equity, and inclusion......bigotry? See how the ugly RW turn light into darkness, and right into wrong. Deplorable.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5462 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 9:04am had never heard the acronym 'dei' until a year ago or so, there's always some gay new term that rebands the same thing every couple of years
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11374 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 10:10am DEI is no different to any other militant ideology. Blessed are the unlucky, for they shall unite to overthrow the status quo and become oppressors in their own right.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:13am JC Denton wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 9:04am: had never heard the acronym 'dei' until a year ago or so, there's always some gay new term that rebands the same thing every couple of years And what is the "same thing" in Diversity Equity Inclusion. ?
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Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

DEI is no different to any other militant ideology.

Blessed are the unlucky, for they shall unite to overthrow the status quo and become oppressors in their own right.

So ...you admit to the reality of oppression (eg greed- based, like Bezos refusing to air-condition his warehouses for the benefit of his workers) - that's a good start.

But a good (functional) economy will work for everyone, not just the most advantaged.

Regardless of "DEI"....

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44008 Gender:	Re: DEI Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:30am JC Denton wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 9:04am: had never heard the acronym 'dei' until a year ago or so, there's always some gay new term that rebands the same thing every couple of years It's a secular Opus DEI - they want to mortify the flesh of the deplorables.
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Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:41am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

DEI is no different to any other militant ideology.

Blessed are the unlucky, for they shall unite to overthrow the status quo and become oppressors in their own right.

So ...you admit to the reality of oppression (eg greed- based, like Bezos refusing to air-condition his warehouses for the benefit of his workers) - that's a good start.

But a good (functional) economy will work for everyone, not just the most advantaged.

Regardless of "DEI"....

Nothing works for everyone.

There will always be the unlucky, who will bear the instinctive primal motivating forces of envy and revenge - as we all do.

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Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

DEI is no different to any other militant ideology.

Blessed are the unlucky, for they shall unite to overthrow the status quo and become oppressors in their own right.

So ...you admit to the reality of oppression (eg greed- based, like Bezos refusing to air-condition his warehouses for the benefit of his workers) - that's a good start.

But a good (functional) economy will work for everyone, not just the most advantaged.

Regardless of "DEI"....

Nothing works for everyone.

Another excuse, as cover for a 'survival of the fittest' / 'natural individual rights' ideologue.

Of course the state can guarantee housing and jobs for all, learn about the history, nature and deployment of money, in states with a fiat currency (see the recent post in the MMT thread).

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There will always be the unlucky, who will bear the instinctive primal motivating forces of envy and revenge - as we all do.

There will always be the less competitive, who will nevertheless prosper in a functional economy which works for all.

As oppsed to a 'survival of the fittest' economy.

Interesting to see a group of billionaires at Davos urging politicians to increase taxes on wealth globally (envious???), to avoid the destructive inequality and economic and ecological collapse on the horizon.

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Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:25pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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There will always be the unlucky, who will bear the instinctive primal motivating forces of envy and revenge - as we all do.

There will always be the less competitive, who will nevertheless prosper in a functional economy which works for all.

As oppsed to a 'survival of the fittest' economy.

Interesting to see a group of billionaires at Davos urging politicians to increases taxes on wealth globally (envious???), to avoid the destructive inequality and economic and ecological collapse on the horizon.

There will always be those born physically and intellectually unlucky and those born into dysfunctional families.

There will always be those who are triggered by envy and revenge.

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Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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There will always be the unlucky, who will bear the instinctive primal motivating forces of envy and revenge - as we all do.

There will always be the less competitive, who will nevertheless prosper in a functional economy which works for all.

As opposed to a 'survival of the fittest' economy.

Interesting to see a group of billionaires at Davos urging politicians to increases taxes on wealth globally (envious???), to avoid the destructive inequality and economic and ecological collapse on the horizon.

There will always be those born physically and intellectually unlucky and those born into dysfunctional families.

There will always be those who are triggered by envy and revenge.

Ah..the ugly, closed 'survival of the fittest/ "freedom" RW mind on full display.

Unlucky or disadvantaged - whatever.

The sense of fairness demands accomodation of this reality.

A sense of fairness is not driven/"triggered" by envy, though it might drive revenge (like the French Revolution's revenge on the greedy/thought-less advantaged).

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Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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There will always be the unlucky, who will bear the instinctive primal motivating forces of envy and revenge - as we all do.

There will always be the less competitive, who will nevertheless prosper in a functional economy which works for all.

As opposed to a 'survival of the fittest' economy.

Interesting to see a group of billionaires at Davos urging politicians to increases taxes on wealth globally (envious???), to avoid the destructive inequality and economic and ecological collapse on the horizon.

There will always be those born physically and intellectually unlucky and those born into dysfunctional families.

There will always be those who are triggered by envy and revenge.

Ah..the ugly, closed 'survival of the fittest/ "freedom" RW mind on full display.

Unlucky or disadvantaged - whatever.

The sense of fairness demands accomodation of this reality.

A sense of fairness is not driven/"triggered" by envy, though it might drive revenge (like the French Revolution's revenge on the greedy/thought-less advantaged).

People want what others have - that's true regardless of the political or economic system(s) governing the people.

Have you mixed regularly with people over the years?

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