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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #90 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:25pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 7:50am:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS

How do they pay for everything locally? Cash?

You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS....The U.N. and Red Cross are provided with the funds to send truck loads of humanitarian aid into the camps they run inside Gaza....Should all humanitarian aid to Gaza be cut off FD???

Are you serious or are you just trolling....What can Palastinians buy locally FD....Do you really believe the U.N. and Red Cross give cash to refugees to spend at the local Woollies....Do you believe the aid comes in the form of ammunition and weapons....Do you have any evidence the U.N or Red Cross are corrupt and supporting HAMAS FD....You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you....What good would cash be to refugees in Gaza FD???

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Yes I am serious. I think you are extremely naïve about the ability of organisations to function in a corrupt society without becoming corrupt themselves.

Palestinians buy everything they need locally. They don't just duck over the border for groceries.

And what countries do you think have zero risk of diverting charity funds to terrorists?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #91 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

I'm sure you think you're clever whilst making an ass off yourself. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory. You changing them around only highlight how dishonest you are. Sure, it's born out of your inability to defend your argument in the first place, but dishonest nevertheless.

Are you saying I tricked you John? What do you think I "changed around"?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #92 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:30pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

I'm sure you think you're clever whilst making an ass off yourself. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory. You changing them around only highlight how dishonest you are. Sure, it's born out of your inability to defend your argument in the first place, but dishonest nevertheless.

Are you saying I tricked you John? What do you think I "changed around"?

I'm saying you're making an ass of yourself.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #93 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:38pm

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 9:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 8:44am:

The whole world thinks Netanyahu is a terrorist.

And FD has declined to address my post (#84) outlining how and why the security of both states can be guaranteed by the UNSC, despite the veto.

Note: Israel was created on other people's land, through a UN vote on the Palestine Partition Plan; justice requires the UN establish the other portion of the partition plan.

Palestine was created on other people's land.

No, it first existed in history as Philistine land, before Israel existed. And the 'mandate land' in 1946 was Palestine.

In any case, you are ignoring the fact that since 1946, acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible, only the UN can arbiter land swaps under international law.

So your following comment is GIGO.

Moving right along to your subsequent point:

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The answer to your posts about the UNSC IS the same: you ARE out of your mind.

Ah, now some debate.....pray tell us, what statement of mine (in the post FD is yet to reply to) proves I'm "out of my mind"....

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Who has the power to confer such powers on the UNSC?

The UN Charter, to which all nations are a signatory.

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What is the source of the power to confer powers on the UNSC?

See above; the issue is the effectiveness of the UNSC in law enforcement in spite of the veto, thoroughly examined in my post.

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Who would command a UNSC military force?

A commander chosen in the same way coomanders of national militaries are chosen.

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Who would finance it and who would be accountable for its actions? Accountable to whom, by what mechanism?

The same way it's financed now, drawing on personnel from SC militairies when needed.

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Who is appointing the UNSC personnel to have this power and who is overseeing the proper exercise of such powers by them.

By agreement/consensus of the relevent UNSC agencies, overseen by the ICJ.

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Who is the UNSC accountable to?

The UN.

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How?
Any checks, balances, recall and replace UNSC powers?

Same as accountability etc, in national government.

Effective implementation/exercise of international law is just an extra level of jurisprudence, concerned with keeping the peace between nations.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #94 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

I'm sure you think you're clever whilst making an ass off yourself. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory. You changing them around only highlight how dishonest you are. Sure, it's born out of your inability to defend your argument in the first place, but dishonest nevertheless.

Are you saying I tricked you John? What do you think I "changed around"?

I'm saying you're making an ass of yourself.

What are you accusing me of dishonestly changing around John? Are you merely attempting to blame me for your chronic confusion?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #96 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 5:24pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

I'm sure you think you're clever whilst making an ass off yourself. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory. You changing them around only highlight how dishonest you are. Sure, it's born out of your inability to defend your argument in the first place, but dishonest nevertheless.

Are you saying I tricked you John? What do you think I "changed around"?

I'm saying you're making an ass of yourself.

What are you accusing me of dishonestly changing around John? Are you merely attempting to blame me for your chronic confusion?

the conversation was about Israel occupying Palestinian territory illegally fd. Not Palestinians occupying Palestinian territory. The only reason you bother with your dumb games is because you've already lost your argument. Why you insist on making such an ass of yourself day in and day out is beyond me.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #97 - Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 5:48pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 5:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

Quote:

Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

I'm sure you think you're clever whilst making an ass off yourself. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian territory. You changing them around only highlight how dishonest you are. Sure, it's born out of your inability to defend your argument in the first place, but dishonest nevertheless.

Are you saying I tricked you John? What do you think I "changed around"?

I'm saying you're making an ass of yourself.

What are you accusing me of dishonestly changing around John? Are you merely attempting to blame me for your chronic confusion?

the conversation was about Israel occupying Palestinian territory illegally fd. Not Palestinians occupying Palestinian territory. The only reason you bother with your dumb games is because you've already lost your argument. Why you insist on making such an ass of yourself day in and day out is beyond me.

TGD brought it up by claiming Israel was an illegal state because it exists alongside an illegally occupied territory.

Are you suggesting that I somehow arranged all that previous discussion to trick you into saying that the Palestinians were illegally occupied Palestine?

Or can you take responsibility for the idiotic stuff you keep posting?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #98 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:29am

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 7:50am:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS

How do they pay for everything locally? Cash?

You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS....The U.N. and Red Cross are provided with the funds to send truck loads of humanitarian aid into the camps they run inside Gaza....Should all humanitarian aid to Gaza be cut off FD???

Are you serious or are you just trolling....What can Palastinians buy locally FD....Do you really believe the U.N. and Red Cross give cash to refugees to spend at the local Woollies....Do you believe the aid comes in the form of ammunition and weapons....Do you have any evidence the U.N or Red Cross are corrupt and supporting HAMAS FD....You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you....What good would cash be to refugees in Gaza FD???

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Yes I am serious. I think you are extremely naïve about the ability of organisations to function in a corrupt society without becoming corrupt themselves.

Palestinians buy everything they need locally. They don't just duck over the border for groceries.

And what countries do you think have zero risk of diverting charity funds to terrorists?

The aid is delivered in trucks to refugee camps and hospitals within Gaza....Cash is not given to Palastinians so they can purchase supplies from the local grocery store....Aid is delivered free to the Palastinian people and controlled by the U.N....Do you seriously believe the U.N. provides cash and charges refugees for the aid....Perhaps you could provide a link to support your bullshit that Palastinians are given cash to purchase aid???

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https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142407

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74634 Gender:	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #99 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 12:21pm freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 5:48pm: TGD brought it up No he didn't
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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #100 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 12:34pm

John, whose fault was it that you claimed the Palestinian people are illegally occupying Palestinian land? Yours or mine?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:29am:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 12:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 7:50am:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS

How do they pay for everything locally? Cash?

You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

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The money does not get sent to a bank account in Gaza FFS....The U.N. and Red Cross are provided with the funds to send truck loads of humanitarian aid into the camps they run inside Gaza....Should all humanitarian aid to Gaza be cut off FD???

Are you serious or are you just trolling....What can Palastinians buy locally FD....Do you really believe the U.N. and Red Cross give cash to refugees to spend at the local Woollies....Do you believe the aid comes in the form of ammunition and weapons....Do you have any evidence the U.N or Red Cross are corrupt and supporting HAMAS FD....You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you....What good would cash be to refugees in Gaza FD???

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Yes I am serious. I think you are extremely naïve about the ability of organisations to function in a corrupt society without becoming corrupt themselves.

Palestinians buy everything they need locally. They don't just duck over the border for groceries.

And what countries do you think have zero risk of diverting charity funds to terrorists?

The aid is delivered in trucks to refugee camps and hospitals within Gaza....Cash is not given to Palastinians so they can purchase supplies from the local grocery store....Aid is delivered free to the Palastinian people and controlled by the U.N....Do you seriously believe the U.N. provides cash and charges refugees for the aid....Perhaps you could provide a link to support your bullshit that Palastinians are given cash to purchase aid???

Roll Eyes

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142407

Where do the trucks come from?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #101 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 1:59pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 5:48pm:

TGD brought it up by claiming Israel was an illegal state because it exists alongside an illegally occupied territory.

Fact: Israel is illegally occupying land defined in UN res 242 as 'Palestine'.

Since the UN partitioned the land of the former Palestine Mandate, Israel remains an illegal state until the provisions of UN res 242 are fulfilled.

Or more accurately, Israel remains an illegal occupier until the provisions of UN 242 are fulfilled.

Not a good look; the sovereign state of Israel is a criminal terrorist outfit, naturally begetting terrorism (as push-back) in the occupied territories.

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Are you suggesting that I somehow arranged all that previous discussion to trick you into saying that the Palestinians were illegally occupied Palestine?

...." Palestinians were illegally occupied Palestine?"

Please clarify....

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #102 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 3:00pm

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Please clarify....

John Smith said that the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine. He appears to have realised he posted something stupid again and is trying to blame me for tricking him into saying it.

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Fact: Israel is illegally occupying land defined in UN res 242 as 'Palestine'.

How would the borders change under resolution 242?

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the sovereign state of Israel is a criminal terrorist outfit

How exactly do you make the leap to calling them terrorists, other than "blame the Jews" for the terrorism committed against them?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74634 Gender:	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #103 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 4:53pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 3:00pm: John Smith said that the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine. No I didn't. My response was to what was actually said, not what you pretended was said. keep trying
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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #104 - Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 4:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 4:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 3:00pm:

John Smith said that the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

No I didn't. My response was to what was actually said, not what you pretended was said. keep trying

Yes, you did, and you also said the IDF are Christians. Early onset dementia?

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