freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 9:15pm:


https://www.google.com/search?q=un+map+of+israel+1947&sca_esv=600891144&sxsrf=AC...

Seven maps there; the first five show Jerusalem as a separate enclave  well within  the borders of the proposed palestinian state (as defined in UN res 181).

The last two maps show the extent to which the proposed Palestinian state had  shrunk by 1967 (after continuous war since 1947) , with W. Jerusalem  now in Israel, and E. Jerusalem now in the occupied territories (after the '67 war).

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If someone comes into your home and says : "I'm now going to claim possession of part of your home" - who is the terrorist?

Note: that's why you have to consider the consequences of establishment of international law, effected by the creation of the UN in 1946.

But also the incapacity of the UN to enforce international law, owing to the veto demanded on behalf of 'national sovereignty' - a contradiction for international  law.

The  difference between you and me is I believe in international law "to save mankind from the scourge of war".

You don't.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 10:26am:


Hysterical? When the intruder backs up his claim with force, I don't think so.

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No;  "my" preference is immaterial, the UN proposal for the two states, with borders shown in UN  res 181 (shown in several of those maps)  is what the UN should implement, since the UN drew up  the maps without the agreeement of the Arab world - which was  impossible to attain in 1947.   

That's why implementation of UN 242, with final borders to be determined "by negotiation" (sic) between the parties, is a non-starter; Hamas wants Israel to disappear, and Netanyahu wants the WB as a 'security buffer zone'. 

Negotiations are impossibe, ever since  the murder of peacemaker PM Rabin, by a Jewish zionist nut-job.

In short, the UN should never have voted to partition the Palestine Mandate, without the capacity to guarantee the security of both states. 

But I have explained what the UN can do now, given the 5 permanent UNSC members think the creation of 2 states is necessary for peace in the ME - and the UNSC can do it, without negotiations re borders between Netanyahu and  Hamas  (an impossibility).

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 11:16am:


Are you resorting to fraudiver mode?

Note: the Balfour Declaration led Jews to dream of a state in Palestine; the following influx of Jews, resulting in  increasing conflict between the two groups - and the eventual declaration  of Israel, without the agreement of the Arab world, was obviously subjectively  experienced by the Arab world as an unjustified intrusion enforced by zionist violence....  aka terrorism.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 11:36am:



Pretty much

A muslim looks at you funny and FD cries he's being subjected to terrorism. But wipe out whole tribes of Muslims and he'll never agree that it is terrorism.

Terrorism is the end of the Islamic Empire.

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:


That's peacekeeping - now then - where is the illustrious UN of dividie's imagination in keeping the peace in Gaza?  Oh, look - there they are -  bunch of overpaid layabouts punching down on Israel while verbal and physical and social and economic attacks on Jews in the West have risen by 1350% in one month.  They'll soon send in the peacekeepers so HAMAS can take pot shots at them while the Israelis refrain from doing so only to be blamed for HAMAS doing that.

The UN is going down.... sunk by its own stupidity.

Perhaps John thinks they are all still hunter-gatherers.

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Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma. Just like the entire history of Islam. Why does it sound like you think this is some kind of defence? They caused millions of Jewish refugees to flood into the new Israel whose very existence they oppose.

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What conflict? Muslim nations expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews?

Isn't this a bit like trying to blame the holocaust on an argument between a Jew and Nazi at the gas chamber door?