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Reply #135 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:16pm

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:33am:

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No. Muslims first reacted (in the ongoing Pal-Jew war) when Israel was proclaimed against the will of the Arab world, who resisted carving Israel out of Muslim land (the 'Palestine Mandate' land) .

Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma.

You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

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Just like the entire history of Islam. Why does it sound like you think this is some kind of defence?

Zionist intrusion into Mandate Palestine is the original cause of the conflict.

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They caused millions of Jewish refugees to flood into the new Israel whose very existence they oppose.

After Israel had been unilaterally proclaimed, and enforced by terror eg the Stern gang.

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What conflict? Muslim nations expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews?

No; the conflict caused by increasing Zionist intrusion into Mandate Palestine, after WW1.

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Isn't this a bit like trying to blame the holocaust on an argument between a Jew and Nazi at the gas chamber door?

No; the Nazis kept what was happening a secret to the Jews who thought they were entering 'work camps'.

Zionists made clear their intentions, which is why Brtitain issued the 'Governing Paper' in 1939, (before the Holocaust) restricting further Jewish immigration to Palestine.

But it was too late: zionist terrorists started bombing British interests.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #136 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:33am:

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No. Muslims first reacted (in the ongoing Pal-Jew war) when Israel was proclaimed against the will of the Arab world, who resisted carving Israel out of Muslim land (the 'Palestine Mandate' land) .

Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma.

You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

We are talking about Jews.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #137 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:48pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:54am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

Are you resorting to fraudiver mode?

But wipe out whole tribes of Muslims and he'll never agree that it is terrorism.

"Doesn't happen in a vacuum", does it? Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

But there's a vacuum when Muslims resort to terrorism?

Christ you're an idiot Roll Eyes

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #139 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 6:33am

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:54am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

Are you resorting to fraudiver mode?

But wipe out whole tribes of Muslims and he'll never agree that it is terrorism.

"Doesn't happen in a vacuum", does it? Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

But there's a vacuum when Muslims resort to terrorism?

Christ you're an idiot Roll Eyes

There is 1400 years of Muslims resorting to terrorism, starting with Muhammad.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #140 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 9:46am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 6:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:54am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

Are you resorting to fraudiver mode?

But wipe out whole tribes of Muslims and he'll never agree that it is terrorism.

"Doesn't happen in a vacuum", does it? Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

But there's a vacuum when Muslims resort to terrorism?

Christ you're an idiot Roll Eyes

There is 1400 years of Muslims resorting to terrorism, starting with Muhammad.

there is 4000+ yrs of non muslims resorting to terrorism. Your point?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #141 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:07am

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:33am:

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No. Muslims first reacted (in the ongoing Pal-Jew war) when Israel was proclaimed against the will of the Arab world, who resisted carving Israel out of Muslim land (the 'Palestine Mandate' land) .

Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma.

You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

We are talking about Jews.

Thanks for the correction.

I wrote "You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust."

I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

The link I provided makes it clear: Britain tried to maintain order in the Palestine Mandate, as stated in the 1939 'White Paper' calling for restrictions on Jewish immigration and house purchases in Palestine.

But Britain was exhaused after WW2, when Jews started attacking British soldiers in Palestine 1945 -1947, the Brits wanted out.....hence the vote on the (newly created UN) Partition plan.

Fast forward to today; the US (with sufficient military capacity to destroy the entire Arab world) could institute UN res 242 by tomorrow, but they are conflicted and 2-faced.

So they prefer to stand by while Israel terrorizes Gaza, while demanding the Arab world do nothing.

So today the US lost 3 soldiers, and the US is already planning its revenge.

Pathetic halfwits, supposed to be the "world's policeman", they are complicit in terrorism.

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Reply #142 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:11am

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I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

Are you suggesting it is reasonable for the middle east and north africa to engage in ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations as punishment for some other group of Jews daring to establish a democracy in what they think should have been another oppressive Islamic shithole?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #143 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:17am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:33am:

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No. Muslims first reacted (in the ongoing Pal-Jew war) when Israel was proclaimed against the will of the Arab world, who resisted carving Israel out of Muslim land (the 'Palestine Mandate' land) .

Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma.

You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

We are talking about Jews.

Thanks for the correction.

I wrote "You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust."

I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

The link I provided makes it clear: Britain tried to maintain order in the Palestine Mandate, as stated in the 1939 'White Paper' calling for restrictions on Jewish immigration and house purchases in Palestine.

But Britain was exhaused after WW2, when Jews started attacking British soldiers in Palestine 1945 -1947, the Brits wanted out.....hence the vote on the (newly created UN) Partition plan.

Fast forward to today; the US (with sufficient military capacity to destroy the entire Arab world) could institute UN res 242 by tomorrow, but they are conflicted and 2-faced.

So they prefer to stand by while Israel terrorizes Gaza, while demanding the Arab world do nothing.

So today the US lost 3 soldiers, and the US is already planning its revenge.

Pathetic halfwits, supposed to be the "world's policeman", they are complicit in terrorism.

Well - let's first drain the swamp - then we'll see what kind of alligators are in it....

Go - tell Hamas to surrender .... put its leaders on trial for crimes against humanity........

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #144 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:29am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:11am:

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I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

Are you suggesting it is reasonable for the middle east and north africa to engage in ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations as punishment for some other group of Jews daring to establish a democracy in what they think should have been another oppressive Islamic shithole?

Reasonable? Since when are men 'reasonable'?

That's the flaw in your argument. If men were "reasonable" they wouldn't resort to war to resolve differences of opinion. The UN was created by men who wanted to "save mankind from the scourge of war", yet here we are...

So to answer your question (in a manner you might recognize) : yes, it's reasonable - given men aren't reasonable....... (eg,insinct re possession of land annuls "reason").

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Reply #145 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:35am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:11am:

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I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

Are you suggesting it is reasonable for the middle east and north africa to engage in ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations as punishment for some other group of Jews daring to establish a democracy in what they think should have been another oppressive Islamic shithole?

Reasonable? Since when are men 'reasonable'?

That's the flaw in your argument. If men were "reasonable" they wouldn't resort to war to resolve differences of opinion. The UN was created by men who wanted to "save mankind from the scourge of war", yet here we are...

So to answer your question (in a maner you might recognize) : yes, it's reasonable - given men aren't reasonable.......

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Reply #146 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:45am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 4:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:33am:

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No. Muslims first reacted (in the ongoing Pal-Jew war) when Israel was proclaimed against the will of the Arab world, who resisted carving Israel out of Muslim land (the 'Palestine Mandate' land) .

Sure. They reacted by expelling and then trying to slaughter Jews because some other Jews offended their backwards and oppressive religious dogma.

You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

We are talking about Jews.

Thanks for the correction.

I wrote "You are confusing Muslims expelled in other Arab countries , in solidarity witn Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust."

I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

The link I provided makes it clear: Britain tried to maintain order in the Palestine Mandate, as stated in the 1939 'White Paper' calling for restrictions on Jewish immigration and house purchases in Palestine.

But Britain was exhaused after WW2, when Jews started attacking British soldiers in Palestine 1945 -1947, the Brits wanted out.....hence the vote on the (newly created UN) Partition plan.

Fast forward to today; the US (with sufficient military capacity to destroy the entire Arab world) could institute UN res 242 by tomorrow, but they are conflicted and 2-faced.

So they prefer to stand by while Israel terrorizes Gaza, while demanding the Arab world do nothing.

So today the US lost 3 soldiers, and the US is already planning its revenge.

Pathetic halfwits, supposed to be the "world's policeman", they are complicit in terrorism.

Well - let's first drain the swamp - then we'll see what kind of alligators are in it....

We already know; war-mongers exist everywhere. So the UNSC needs to enforce international law first (in this case, UN res 242), then deal with the war mongers next.

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Go - tell Hamas to surrender .... put its leaders on trial for crimes against humanity........

Hamas would be reviled by Palestinians if the US grew a set and instituted UN res 242 now, not tomorrow (given the rest of the UNSC is on board with res 242).

And much of the Arab world would also be on board, given moderninzing processes showing even an Islamic "enlightenment" of sorts; Hamas' existence would be increasingly irrelevent when Palestine exists at last.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #147 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:53am

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

[quote author=freediver link=1705487075/142#142 date=1706487085] [quote]I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

Are you suggesting it is reasonable for the middle east and north africa to engage in ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations as punishment for some other group of Jews daring to establish a democracy in what they think should have been another oppressive Islamic shithole?

Reasonable? Since when are men 'reasonable'?

That's the flaw in your argument. If men were "reasonable" they wouldn't resort to war to resolve differences of opinion. The UN was created by men who wanted to "save mankind from the scourge of war", yet here we are...

So to answer your question (in a manner you might recognize) : yes, it's reasonable - given men aren't reasonable.......( eg, instinct re possession of land annuls 'reason'.)

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84664 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #148 - Jan 30^th, 2024 at 10:03pm Maybe the US will just resolve the Gaza situation and carpet bomb it back into a series of sand dunes... start a new resort... build a casino or ten ...fancy hotels along the shoreline.....
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Reply #149 - Jan 31^st, 2024 at 5:31am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

[quote author=freediver link=1705487075/142#142 date=1706487085] [quote]I should have written: "You are confusing Jews expelled in other Arab countries, in solidarity with (and in reaction to) Muslims who were being driven from their homes in Palestine, in a process which began before the Euro Holocaust.

Are you suggesting it is reasonable for the middle east and north africa to engage in ethnic cleansing of their Jewish populations as punishment for some other group of Jews daring to establish a democracy in what they think should have been another oppressive Islamic shithole?

Reasonable? Since when are men 'reasonable'?

That's the flaw in your argument. If men were "reasonable" they wouldn't resort to war to resolve differences of opinion. The UN was created by men who wanted to "save mankind from the scourge of war", yet here we are...

So to answer your question (in a manner you might recognize) : yes, it's reasonable - given men aren't reasonable.......( eg, instinct re possession of land annuls 'reason'.)

Where do you get your excuses for ethnic cleansing from? The CCP?

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