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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #60 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 7:46pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:11am:

your concession is accepted

John do you think it is a shame that none of your fellow Jew-hating conspiracy nutters have come with a shred of real evidence that the IDF is a terrorist organisation?

Why would i feel shame for your lies? Roll Eyes

I feel a little sad about them.

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Reply #61 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 7:56pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state. Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

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does not make Israel illegal or terrorist

Israel certainly quacks like a duck.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #62 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #63 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

If you want to ban terrorists, Start by banning the idf

Why not start with Hamas?

Using civilians as a human shield is a war crime in international law :

(xxiii) Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or
military forces immune from military operations

Rome Statute and https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74634 Gender:	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #64 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:40pm Frank wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 8:55pm: If you want to ban terrorists, Start by banning the idf Why not start with Hamas? Makes no difference, the 'idf' or 'hamas', they're both the same
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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #65 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #66 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

If you want to ban terrorists, Start by banning the idf

Why not start with Hamas?

Makes no difference, the 'idf' or 'hamas', they're both the same

Yep - put me down for 'C' all of the above.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #67 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #68 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 6:44am

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

Quote:

Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

That's because you're an idiot.

Do you think they are John?

Absolutely they are

Are you sure about that John?

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #69 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 11:25am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

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Did you miss #33? Israel is an illegal terrorist state, unless and until it exists alongside a Palestinian state as defined in UN res 242.

It already exists alongside a Palestinian state.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

It exists alongside illegally occupied territory - which is why Israel isn't and cannot be secure, and why it's now before the ICJ defending itself against a charge of genocide.

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Two even. The fact that they are too busy trying to slaughter Jews to get their poo together does not make Israel illegal or terrorist. You share John's aversion to reality.

GIGO; you started with the wrong premise, as explained above.

I don't think the Palestinians are illegally occupying Palestine.

See how your blind ideology leads you into error?

Israel is illegally occupying the territory defined in UN res 242 as land which will become the future Palestinian state - a state which doesn't yet exist, due to Israeli and US zionist ideology.

LIke I said, the US could implement UN res 242 tomorrow, AND guarantee Israel's security .....regardless of the US zionist lobby.

[The illegal settlements are easily dealt with, via a UNSC- managed blockade of each settlement, giving the murderous nutjobs therein the choice between starvation and resettlement in Israel. Job done].

Are you saying you want the US to dissolve the current border between Israel and Palestine and take responsibility for the slaughter that would ensue?

And Israel is a terrorist state because the US won't accept this responsibility?

Haha... FD's favourite method, ask insane questions...it's fun to expose them.

Answer to insane question no.1:

No, I'm saying I want the US to join the rest of the UN, to create a new UN member state called Palestine, (which doesn't yet exist) ie a self-governed, sovereign independent Palestine, with borders as defined by UN res 242, and the illegal settlements taken over by the new state. With security for Israel and Palestine guaranteed by the UNSC (inc. the US, whose military spending equals the other four members combined; Palestine wouldn't NEED an expensive military defence force).

The "current border" is moot, because the WB is occupied territory.

Answer to insane question no.2:

Well, yes...(turns out even insane questions are sometimes correct ....): Israel is a terrorist state because the US backs Israel's illegal occupation of the WB.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #70 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 12:37pm Quote: With security for Israel and Palestine guaranteed by the UNSC Who would actually provide security? How would the border differ from Israel's current border?
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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #71 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 12:37pm:

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With security for Israel and Palestine guaranteed by the UNSC

Who would actually provide security?

How would the border differ from Israel's current border?

Great to see you asking intelligent questions (as opposed to the usual insane ones).

Upon creation of Palestine alongside Israel, after a UN- brokered agreement from all sides (including all UNGA members) to respect the sovereignty of both states, with clear sanctions for any violation of the agreement enforced by the UNSC.

So the UNSC would provide the security via an implied threat: break the agreement and you will face the proposed sanctions regime (including the death sentence or life imprisonment), as described. And any state seeking to break the agreement would in effect be proclaiming war against the UNSC, which possesses 99.5% of the world's military force....

Note: Palestine would not need a military (only an internal police force) , because the UNSC - speaking with one voice (no veto) would guarantee its security (provided the US supports and implements UN re 242, a goal claimed by Biden)

As to the border: the issue is the border defined in UN res 242, based on the earlier UN res 181, before Israel started occupying land by force (in war) which is "inadmissible" in international law, since 1946.

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Re: Terrorist groups should be banned
Reply #72 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 1:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 1:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 12:37pm:

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With security for Israel and Palestine guaranteed by the UNSC

Who would actually provide security?

How would the border differ from Israel's current border?

Great to see you asking intelligent questions (as opposed to the usual insane ones).

Upon creation of Palestine alongside Israel, after a UN- brokered agreement from all sides (including all UNGA members) to respect the sovereignty of both states, with clear sanctions for any violation of the agreement enforced by the UNSC.

So the UNSC would provide the security via an implied threat: break the agreement and you will face the proposed sanctions regime (including the death sentence or life imprisonment), as described. And any state seeking to break the agreement would in effect be proclaiming war against the UNSC, which possesses 99.5% of the world's military force....

You ARE out of your mind.

Who would command such a UNSC force?
Who would sentence anyone to death and carry out the sentence?
Who is appointing the UNSC to have this power and who is overseeing the proper exercise of such powers by them? Who is the UNSC accountable to? How?
Any checks, balances, recall and replace powers?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Terrorist groups should be banned Reply #73 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 1:46pm Quote: So the UNSC would provide the security via an implied threat Israel's rather formidable army cannot stop the Muslims trying to slaughter Jews every few years, but you think an "implied threat" from a committee will do the job? I ask again, who will actually provide security?
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Reply #74 - Jan 21^st, 2024 at 2:11pm

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 1:46pm:

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So the UNSC would provide the security via an implied threat

Israel's rather formidable army cannot stop the Muslims trying to slaughter Jews every few years, but you think an "implied threat" from a committee will do the job?

I ask again, who will actually provide security?

Your first question here shows a relapse into your dumb question routine.

The UNSC - with 99.5 % of the world's military force speaking with one voice, is not a "committee".

Your 2nd question is repetition based on the error in
your first question.

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