Australian Politics Forum - Science Fiction

Sir Spot of Borg Moderator Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Science Fiction Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:52am im about to read prime deceptions by valerie valdes. i chose this book because it was the only science fiction book i could find in my local library. maybe it will surprise me!
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Science Fiction Reply #1 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm How often Si-Fi stories predictions come true? In 1964, Arthur C. Clarke predicted the internet. And in 1983, Isaac Asimov predicted that modern life would become impossible without computers. They both had scientific background,BTW.
Back to top	ישראל חיה ערבים לערבים IP Logged

Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 8603	Re: Science Fiction Reply #2 - Nov 3^rd, 2024 at 10:59pm It seems science fiction becomes science fact. Remember Dick Tracey calling Joe Jitsu on his wrist watch? I also recall a silent 1930s movie I think it was Metropolis…. Showing a tv screen on wall making a live call. In the movie they had flying T model Fords But hey… some things were spot on and became so.
Back to top	IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg Moderator Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Science Fiction Reply #3 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:05am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:52am: im about to read prime deceptions by valerie valdes. i chose this book because it was the only science fiction book i could find in my local library. maybe it will surprise me! The plot wasnt bad at all but should have been labelled a teenagers book. Spot
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

UnSubRocky

Gold Member

Offline

Crocodile Hunter: Origins

Posts: 25019
Rockhampton
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #4 - Nov 7^th, 2024 at 2:16pm

Sophia wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2024 at 10:59pm:

It seems science fiction becomes science fact.
Remember Dick Tracey calling Joe Jitsu on his wrist watch?
I also recall a silent 1930s movie I think it was Metropolis…. Showing a tv screen on wall making a live call. In the movie they had flying T model Fords Grin

But hey… some things were spot on and became so.

Yeah, and back in the early times, they had these things called bow and arrow; and wheels; and counterbalances; and wind powered ships.

It is amazing how things of old are new again. Home cooked meals are a godsend for people my age.

Back to top

At this stage...

IP Logged

Jasin

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 49309
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #5 - Nov 12^th, 2024 at 5:59pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:52am:

im about to read prime deceptions by valerie valdes. i chose this book because it was the only science fiction book i could find in my local library. maybe it will surprise me!

The plot wasnt bad at all but should have been labelled a teenagers book.

Spot

How did it go Spot?

Back to top

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

IP Logged

tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Science Fiction Reply #6 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 12:25pm Is "The Chemical Wedding" written in 1616 the earliest science fiction ever? or is the story of Gilgamesh can be considered as first sci-fi?
Back to top	ישראל חיה ערבים לערבים IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49309 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #7 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:09pm Good question Tallowood. I think Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was an early contender.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #8 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:50pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:09pm:

Good question Tallowood.

I think Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was an early contender.

It is accredited but it is 1818. 200 years later so is questionable with a 1616 the question here is that it is alchemy, the forerunner to chemistry (a science fiction relating to science).

alchemy is considered an ancient science, The book maybe but at the same time it is full of at the time considered genuine science references. If you want to consider alchemy the story of king Midas goes back to 700 BC or earlier in Greek mythology but that does not seem at all science fiction.

I'm personally sticking with Frankie as he is still posting here, not very well but persistent.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #9 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 8:01pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:52am:

im about to read prime deceptions by valerie valdes. i chose this book because it was the only science fiction book i could find in my local library. maybe it will surprise me!

Chilling Effect: Captain Eva Innocente, Book 1
Is the first book in the series prime deceptions is book 2.

Podcast about her latest book - I think.

Let us know how it goes - I could be convinced. Haven't read much SF lately.

Back to top

IP Logged

Jasin

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 49309
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #10 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 2:11pm

Making Stone Tools (Stone Age) is also recognised as a Science (which has been in use as the longest 'existing' Science right up to modern times. eg: Aborigines using stone tools during 1788+/- )

I think when adding any science to a fictional writing/book work. The main theme of Science Fiction that arose out of N.America was based on 'outer space' themes. It is what made 'science fiction' POPULAR.

One could say that the Britonese story of Arthur/Camelot - originally a fictional tale of patriotism/propaganda against the influx of (peaceful mass immigration) Anglos, Jutes and Saxons from the mainland (Europe) - could be the earliest also.
The fact that it was exploited, plagiarised and conformed (to) by Christianity and given different time periods (like Medieval) through history away from the true time frame.

Well the good news is that the original Britons still live in Wales and SW England and didn't die out back then.
When Orcs and Elves roamed the world, before the coming of Men from Middle-Earth. Cheesy

Back to top

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #11 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:37pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

Making Stone Tools (Stone Age) is also recognised as a Science (which has been in use as the longest 'existing' Science right up to modern times. eg: Aborigines using stone tools during 1788+/- )

I think when adding any science to a fictional writing/book work. The main theme of Science Fiction that arose out of N.America was based on 'outer space' themes. It is what made 'science fiction' POPULAR.

One could say that the Britonese story of Arthur/Camelot - originally a fictional tale of patriotism/propaganda against the influx of (peaceful mass immigration) Anglos, Jutes and Saxons from the mainland (Europe) - could be the earliest also.
The fact that it was exploited, plagiarised and conformed (to) by Christianity and given different time periods (like Medieval) through history away from the true time frame.

Well the good news is that the original Britons still live in Wales and SW England and didn't die out back then.
When Orcs and Elves roamed the world, before the coming of Men from Middle-Earth. Cheesy

Quote:

based on 'outer space' themes.

By far my favourite when young but not exclusively, The Time Machine (1895), Journey to the centre of the earth (1864) .

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #12 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:39pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

Making Stone Tools (Stone Age) is also recognised as a Science (which has been in use as the longest 'existing' Science right up to modern times. eg: Aborigines using stone tools during 1788+/- )

I think when adding any science to a fictional writing/book work. The main theme of Science Fiction that arose out of N.America was based on 'outer space' themes. It is what made 'science fiction' POPULAR.

One could say that the Britonese story of Arthur/Camelot - originally a fictional tale of patriotism/propaganda against the influx of (peaceful mass immigration) Anglos, Jutes and Saxons from the mainland (Europe) - could be the earliest also.
The fact that it was exploited, plagiarised and conformed (to) by Christianity and given different time periods (like Medieval) through history away from the true time frame.

Well the good news is that the original Britons still live in Wales and SW England and didn't die out back then.
When Orcs and Elves roamed the world, before the coming of Men from Middle-Earth. Cheesy

Quote:

When Orcs and Elves roamed the world, before the coming of Men from Middle-Earth.

It is still going on - Have a friend at Cronulla, He lives in the Shire with all the other Hobbits.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #13 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:45pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

How often Si-Fi stories predictions come true?

In 1964, Arthur C. Clarke predicted the internet. And in 1983, Isaac Asimov predicted that modern life would become impossible without computers.
They both had scientific background,BTW.

Lover the space ranger series (Asimov) in my teens. So much of the known science from the 1950's was wrong

Back to top

IP Logged

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75019 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #14 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm tallowood wrote on Oct 4^th, 2024 at 5:05pm: How often Si-Fi stories predictions come true? Si Fi is about imagination ...once someone has imagined it, others will work to achieve it
Back to top	Our esteemed leader: I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus. IP Logged

Jasin

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 49309
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #15 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:24pm

You are right for once Smith. American Science Fiction has indeed been a dreaming for that nation, to which they follow.
Isaac Asimov's Foundation series (based on the Fall of Rome) is the narrative of the Fall of the USA (that adheres to the archaic western of Rome and Athens).

You will find that many Americans Fantasy writers have also done the same with many novels and series having predicted the likes of Trump. Roger Zelazny's Amber series (Trump Cards) from the 70's to Julian May's The Non-born King.

Let's not comment on the fear of the rise of the Biologically advanced Australian future in competition with America like Pacific Rim and Independence Day 2 Wink

Back to top

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49309 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #16 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:26pm No matter how far out in space. Every Science Fiction and or Fantasy is 100% influenced by something here on earth entirely.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49309 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #17 - Nov 17^th, 2024 at 11:21am Going by the mass production of scientific papers being pumped out these days. Science itself has become a Fiction.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg Moderator Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Science Fiction Reply #18 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 5:43am For some reason i dont have a reply button so im replying to Dnarever. I didnt know it was a sequel. Even after reading it i didnt know it was a sequel! hahahha. Need to get the other book. Spot
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59060
Here
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #19 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 9:09pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2024 at 11:52am:

im about to read prime deceptions by valerie valdes. i chose this book because it was the only science fiction book i could find in my local library. maybe it will surprise me!

The plot wasn't bad at all but should have been labelled a teenagers book.

Spot

So many are - I often don't mind if it is a good story.

Back to top

IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49309 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #20 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 7:33am The latest Sci Fi genre is by Scientists saying there is water on every planet and they're all Earth-like. Talk about scabbing for funding.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Science Fiction Reply #21 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 9:34am Jasin wrote on Nov 17^th, 2024 at 11:21am: Going by the mass production of scientific papers being pumped out these days. Science itself has become a Fiction. Majority of people have no idea what science is about so fiction or rather magic is good enough for them.
Back to top	ישראל חיה ערבים לערבים IP Logged

Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49309 Gender:	Re: Science Fiction Reply #22 - Nov 20^th, 2024 at 7:23am Going by a lot of theories about the universe. Can see the religious influences coming out.
Back to top	AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY. IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg Moderator Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Science Fiction Reply #23 - Nov 21^st, 2024 at 5:10am Jasin wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:26pm: No matter how far out in space. Every Science Fiction and or Fantasy is 100% influenced by something here on earth entirely. fantasy is magic based and scifi is science based - they are completely different. fantasy: witches, zombies, vampires, werewolves, magic Spot
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

Jasin

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 49309
Gender: male

Re: Science Fiction
Reply #24 - Nov 21^st, 2024 at 7:47am

Every SciFi & Fantasy alien or being are an insinuation of people and animals here on Earth. Our imaginations are still bound to this world. Even the Borg are based on a type of people here.
SciFi is mostly a future projection, Fantasy is a past projection.
But Fantasy writers in America have been known to predict the future (like a guy like Trump) by their own insinuation and illusion.
...where there's a little Saxon ranga man. There's usually a tall Anglo blondie man just around the corner. Wink

It is written.✍️

Back to top

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

IP Logged

Poll
Question: Sci fi can be sci fact?
* This poll has now closed *
Yes 3 (75.0%) No 1 (25.0%) Total votes: 4 « Created by: Jasin on: Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:24pm »