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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #30 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

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Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #31 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

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Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #32 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

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Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

I'm surprised you're not familiar with it Roll Eyes

The electoral college system determines who becomes President, and the popular vote determines who the people of America want as their President.

In 2016, the people of America chose Hillary Clinton.

And in 2020, the people of America chose Joe Biden.

Both times that the rapist Donald Trump has faced the general public, they have rejected him.

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #33 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

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Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

So the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes prez, it never had, no matter how much you bang on about it.

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #34 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:56pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

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Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

So the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes prez,...

Hooray! You're finally starting to learn. It took a while.

No, it does not determine who becomes President, and nobody in the history of the world has ever claimed that it did.

Moreover, we aren't discussing how someone becomes President - we're discussing who has beaten Donald Trump - the rapist - in a vote.

To recap: two people have beaten Donald Trump in a vote.

The first one was Hillary Clinton: she beat the rapist by more than 3,000,000 votes.

The second person was Joe Biden: he beat the rapist by more than 7,000,000 votes.

So, the general public rejected the rapist you support & defend every single time he has faced them in an election.

Nobody in the Republican party can beat the rapist who stole money from kids' cancer charities in a popular election, but the Democrats can do it quite easily.

So funny Grin

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #35 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

[url]https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107242950-16843589022023-05-17t
154931z_392627270_rc2f01ad8o7a_rtrmadp_0_usa-debt.jpeg[/url]

Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

So the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes prez,...

Hooray! You're finally starting to learn. It took a while.

No, it does not determine who becomes President, and nobody in the history of the world has ever claimed that it did.

Why do you bang on about it endlessly if it doesn't determine anything?

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #36 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:19pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

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and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

[url]https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107242950-16843589022023-05-17t
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Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

So the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes prez,...

Hooray! You're finally starting to learn. It took a while.

No, it does not determine who becomes President, and nobody in the history of the world has ever claimed that it did.

Why do you bang on about it endlessly if it doesn't determine anything?

let him be Frank, its a reprieve from the endless rape fantasising

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #37 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:33pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

...

and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Only one person has beaten him.

This guy:

[url]https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107242950-16843589022023-05-17t
154931z_392627270_rc2f01ad8o7a_rtrmadp_0_usa-debt.jpeg[/url]

Grin

Actually, my bad.

Two people have beaten him - Hillary beat him by 3,000,000 votes back in 2016.

How come she wasn't president, then?

The electoral college system.

So the popular vote doesn't decide who becomes prez,...

Hooray! You're finally starting to learn. It took a while.

No, it does not determine who becomes President, and nobody in the history of the world has ever claimed that it did.

Why do you bang on about it endlessly if it doesn't determine anything?

It does determine something.

It determines who the general public wants as their President.

Moreover, we were discussing who has beaten Trump the rapist in an election, so it's right on topic.

But I perfectly understand why you don't like to discuss things that make your rapist friend look like the loser he is.

To recap: every time the rapist you support & defend has faced the general public in an election, they have preferred the other candidate.

In Trump's case, two of the most unpopular Democrat candidates in recent history.

That tells you a lot about how much Trump is despised.

Not by you, or course, you're all for the rapists Wink

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #38 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 1:19pm

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

She'll lose in her home state and will then bail out.

And then do a complete 180 and say she is 100% behind Trump.

It would NOT be a "180".
Supporting the winner is the only honourable and civilised response.

And, if Haley becomes the GOP candidate, Trump - the rapist - will do the honourable & civilised thing and support her 100%?

She has no chance against Trump.

Correct.

However, she has a good chance against Biden.

Better than Trump, in fact.

Polls have her at 53% to 45% against Biden.

The orange rapist is only 50% to 48%.

So, it appears that the GOP doesn't want to win the general election.

But why not? Undecided

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #39 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 1:38pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

We all didn't really want Hillary Clinton as the 'Media Novelty' First Woman President.
She who ripped money off the Health System continuously to fund Obama and herself and yet failed in her Election Run for President - due to 'health' reasons. Karma is a bi_tch.
We knew she would 'blow' the Budget, like her Hubby got blown. She was a financial exploiter, like her hubby was a sexual exploiter. Their daughter Chelsea was a Media fraud as well.

So we have now, the 'Dark Horse' of Nikki Haley.
If she beats Trump.
She WILL BE the next President.
...and the First Woman President without the need to be a Media 'novelty' about it like Hillary tried.

But. I wonder?
With World War basically already starting.
Will America 'feel safe' with a Woman leading the country if a very dangerous World throws WAR against it?
Will she be 'tough enough'?
...does any 'female leader' when the duress of major conflict presents itself?

In a way. I do hope she becomes a President. Not just to be the First Woman (blah, blah) novelty like Hillary tried and Julia Gillard turned out to be.
But to continue breaking the Media narrative control and spice things up a bit more as a Dark Horse.
It was obvious Hillary was wrong for the country,
but maybe Trump's intrusion has developed the right Woman for the job? Wink

Oh, ya. In a way, no?

WITCH HUNT!!!!

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #40 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 1:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

scope wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

scope wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 9:44am:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 8:08am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

She has no chance against Trump.

New Hampshire allows people who are not registered Republicans to vote in the Republican primary. Most states don’t do that. In most states, only Republican voters participate in Republican primaries. Haley couldn't win a Republican primary contest in NH with Democrat and independent voters in the mix.

Donald J Trump is a genius. That's what the J stands for. Tsk, tsk Tongue

What a load of bull, go back to school and learn how primaries are conducted in the various states.

Democrats can not cross over and vote republican in the New Hampshire primary, only unaffiliated voters can vote in party primaries and only after registering 3 weeks before the primary as an unaffiliated voter.
After getting so much wrong in that post, its obvious you are not a genius frank Grin

Silly.

Not every demcrate voter in NH is registered AS a democrat voter, nor every Republican voter is registered AS a republican. In other words, you don't have to be a registered Republican in NH to vote in the primaries.

Thats why the term unaffiliated is used frank.
They are not registered by either party.
Trying to save your embarrassment in being wrong,just makes the hole you are digging deeper Grin

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no

frank is 100 % correct.

NH is an open primary

One area of contention in open primaries is “crossover” voting. It most often involves voters affiliated with one political party voting in the primary of another political party to influence that party’s nomination.
New Hampshire is a state known for its independent voters. Currently, undeclared voters can choose which party’s primary to vote in on the primary Election Day and then immediately unregister from that party before leaving the polling place.

and she still couldnt beat the big guy

Sure, but what if she was a capable Alpha workhorse with a good administrative track record and a noble Republican pedigree?

You could beat him then, shurely.

Ron D for prez, no?

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #41 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

She'll lose in her home state and will then bail out.

And then do a complete 180 and say she is 100% behind Trump.

It would NOT be a "180".
Supporting the winner is the only honourable and civilised response.

And, if Haley becomes the GOP candidate, Trump - the rapist - will do the honourable & civilised thing and support her 100%?

She has no chance against Trump.

Correct.

However, she has a good chance against Biden.

Better than Trump, in fact.

Polls have her at 53% to 45% against Biden.

The orange rapist is only 50% to 48%.

So, it appears that the GOP doesn't want to win the general election.

But why not? Undecided

"There is no question that Nikki Haley wins in a head-to-head contest with Joe Biden. Some polls have her up as much as 12 points in swing states like Michigan. She consistently outperforms Donald Trump by wide margins. Nikki Haley is by far the strongest candidate to win in November."

"Polls similarly have found Haley leading Biden in crucial swing states, and often by a wider margin than Trump."

It appears that Haley would win easily against Biden, so why are the Republicans backing a loser like criminal defendant Trump?

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #42 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12^th, 2024 at 1:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

She'll lose in her home state and will then bail out.

And then do a complete 180 and say she is 100% behind Trump.

It would NOT be a "180".
Supporting the winner is the only honourable and civilised response.

And, if Haley becomes the GOP candidate, Trump - the rapist - will do the honourable & civilised thing and support her 100%?

She has no chance against Trump.

Correct.

However, she has a good chance against Biden.

Better than Trump, in fact.

Polls have her at 53% to 45% against Biden.

The orange rapist is only 50% to 48%.

So, it appears that the GOP doesn't want to win the general election.

But why not? Undecided

"There is no question that Nikki Haley wins in a head-to-head contest with Joe Biden. Some polls have her up as much as 12 points in swing states like Michigan. She consistently outperforms Donald Trump by wide margins. Nikki Haley is by far the strongest candidate to win in November."

"Polls similarly have found Haley leading Biden in crucial swing states, and often by a wider margin than Trump."

It appears that Haley would win easily against Biden, so why are the Republicans backing a loser like criminal defendant Trump?

Anyone?

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #43 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

Good question. Hard to tell to be honest.
Both Trump and Haley would beat Biden/Democrats easy enough.
Anyone could beat Biden unless it's rigged again.
But even Democrats want Biden the Bozo gone - having turned the Democrats out worse than they thought. They should have stuck with Bernie Sanders of whom Trump would have lost convincingly of his own accord and inability.
The Democrats 'stuffed up' with Biden. Bad call.
And that's why Trump is still there and can be there again as President.

I would prefer Haley as President and not because of her being the 'First Woman' novelty that Hillary used as her foundation to be President. I think she could get America out of its Domestic mess that Biden has plunged it into, because he/they chased the International arena too aggressively: hence the conflicts, etc around the world.

I think she will never 'be great' - but she can steady the ship back into sync and settle everything back down a bit until the next Presidential choice comes along.

I don't think even Trump can fix the damage done by Biden's term. He'll waste most of his efforts in 'revenge' and even if succeeds - Revenge always digs two graves.

Sure, Haley will allow the Democrats/Biden to 'get away with it'. But at least she'll just forget about the past 4 years and concentrate on the next for America's sake, not her own.

I hope both Trump or her become President. But with her, there will be a better possibility of 'normality' coming back into the picture.

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Re: Nikki Haley 4 President
Reply #44 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:56pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Good question. Hard to tell to be honest.
Both Trump and Haley would beat Biden/Democrats easy enough.

No, that's just not true, and it's the point of my question.

All polls indicate that Haley would beat Biden easy enough, but that Trump would struggle to win against the current POTUS.

Republicans and Democrats alike agree that Haley would win easily, whilst Trump would suffer yet another defeat.

So why does the GOP want to lose the general election in 2024?

Are they: a) looking forward to the riots and violence that would follow?

Or: b) are they focusing all their efforts on 2028 (because by then the wars should be over/cooled down, and things will be a lot simpler for them in office)?

My guess is a little from column a, and a little from column b.

What say others.

The GOP is guaranteed to win with Haley, and are almost certainly guaranteed to lose with Trump - so why back the loser?

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