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ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Jan 27th, 2024 at 4:44am
 
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has delivered its ruling on the emergency measures requested by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel over its war on the Gaza Strip.

The World Court on Friday did not order a ceasefire in Gaza but told Israel to take measures to prevent and punish direct incitement of genocide in the besieged strip.

ICJ President Joan Donoghue noted that the court had found sufficient evidence of dispute for the genocide case and said it will not throw it out.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/world-reacts-to-icj-ruling-on-south-afr...



In a historic ruling, the ICJ said it had jurisdiction to rule in the case filed by South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.

The interim ruling issued by the court ordered six provisional measures, including for Israel to take all measures to prevent genocidal acts, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective steps to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza.

The ICJ also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the court within a month regarding its compliance with the order...

Amnesty International has called the court’s order an “important step” that could help protect Palestinians from “further suffering and irreparable harm”.

The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide Convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. The court has also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to it, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.

Agnes Callamard, Amnesty’s secretary general, says the interim ruling “sends a clear message that the world will not stand by in silence as Israel pursues a ruthless military campaign to decimate the population of the Gaza Strip and unleash death, horror and suffering against Palestinians on an unprecedented scale.

“However, the ICJ decision alone cannot put an end to the atrocities and devastation Gazans are witnessing. Alarming signs of genocide in Gaza, and Israel’s flagrant disregard for international law highlight the urgent need for effective, unified pressure on Israel to stop its onslaught against Palestinians. An immediate ceasefire by all parties remains essential and – although not ordered by the Court – is the most effective condition to implement the provisional measures and end unprecedented civilian suffering.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/26/live-icj-to-issue-preliminary-...



The World Court ordered Israel to take action to prevent acts of genocide as it wages war against the Hamas group in the Gaza Strip.

In the ruling, 15 of the 17 judges on the ICJ voted for emergency measures that covered most of what South African had asked for, with the notable exception of ordering a halt to Israeli military action in Gaza.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/icj-rules-israel-must-prevent-acts-of-g...



“The ruling sends a strong message to Israel that the court views the situation as very serious and that Israel should do what it can to perform restraint in carrying out its military campaign,” said Michael Becker, an assistant professor of international human rights law at Trinity College in Dublin who also served as an associate legal officer at the International Court of Justice in The Hague from 2010 to 2014.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/what-the-icjs-interim-ruling-means-for-...

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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2024 at 7:11pm
 
Jewish Voice for Peace welcomes South Africa’s win in the World Court ordering Israel to prevent all genocidal violence against Palestinians — we continue calls for an immediate ceasefire



Today, the International Court of Justice issued a historic ruling finding South Africa’s claim that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza to be plausible, and ordered that the Israeli government take all measures to prevent acts of genocide. Jewish Voice for Peace welcomes the ruling, and will continue demanding an immediate and lasting ceasefire and that the U.S. halt all weapons and military funding to the Israeli government.

The ICJ’s ruling represents a significant step towards ending the Israeli government’s genocidal campaign in Gaza — and we recognize that this is only the first step. Jewish Voice for Peace joins with thousands of anti-war groups across the world in committing to continue our work for a permanent ceasefire and an end to Israeli occupation, apartheid, and siege.

We thank South Africa for standing up to demand justice on the world stage, and working to protect the lives of Palestinians in Gaza. May we all continue working towards collective safety and liberation for all people.


    The World Court interim ruling, led by South Africa, is a vital step towards saving and protecting Palestinian lives—and towards building a future grounded in justice. We don’t need courts to tell us genocide is a moral catastrophe, but we do need courts to impose accountability when our own government has so shamefully worked to abet, fund, arm and secure impunity for the Israeli government’s genocidal attack on Palestinians in Gaza. From here, the next step is clear: an immediate, permanent ceasefire. We’re not stopping until Palestinians, like everyone else, live in justice, safety and freedom.
   
Stefanie Fox, Executive Director of Jewish Voice for Peace

    For over 100 days, the Israeli and the U.S. governments have gaslit and smeared the Palestinian people, denying what the entire world was witnessing: a genocide. Now, the highest court in the world has found these claims plausible. President Biden has a choice to make: he can reject the entire system of international law and continue complicity in Israeli genocide, or he can stop arming a genocidal regime and stop attacking the people and movements struggling to build a more just and peaceful future.
   
Beth Miller, Political Director of Jewish Voice for Peace


https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/26/we-welcome-south-africas-win-in-i...
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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am
 
International Court of Justice delivers an own goal in ‘genocide’ case


This much can be predicted with certainty about the International Court of Justice’s decision in the case South Africa brought against Israel: Hamas will completely ignore the court’s call for the “immediate and unconditional release” of the hostages it illegally holds captive. But while the court’s call is commendable, its decision is troubling.

To say that is not to overstate the significance of the provisional measures the court has ordered. Whatever the decision’s defects, those measures primarily require Israel to abide by its obligations under the Genocide Convention, which it insists it already does.

Moreover, what the court didn’t do is as significant as what it did. The court, South Africa demanded, should order Israel to “desist” from genocidal acts, implying Israel was committing genocide. Instead, the ICJ carefully restricted itself to saying Israel has an obligation to “prevent” genocidal acts from occurring, leaving the factual issue open.

Nor did the court accept South Africa’s central request, which was for an immediate ceasefire. In Ukraine v Russia (2022), the ICJ ordered Russia to “immediately suspend military operations in Ukraine”. This order makes it emphatically clear that the only military action it enjoins is that carried out with genocidal intent.

That leaves Israel free to continue its current campaign, knowing that, as the Convention’s drafters noted, “even heavy civilian losses in the course of operations of war do not as a rule constitute genocide”.
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When it was established in 1945, the ICJ was the only international body of its kind. Since then, nearly 30 international judicial bodies have been created, along with dozens that are quasi-judicial.

That trend, which is at least partly due to the ICJ’s flaws – including the lack of an appellate mechanism to discipline decisions and constrain judges who often come from authoritarian, low-quality legal systems – has been accompanied by a massive flight from its jurisdiction.

The share of states accepting the court’s mandatory jurisdiction has halved since 1950, with even the UK, which was the only one of the founding great powers that still accepted it, recently imposing stringent reservations on that jurisdiction’s scope. Meanwhile, the number of new treaties that grant the ICJ jurisdiction has collapsed.

The ICJ has responded by trying to make its jurisdiction more attractive, notably to the “global South”. In particular, since its Namibia opinion in 1971 and its Nicaragua decision in 1984, it has shown a greater willingness to involve itself in quintessentially political disputes and assess them in terms of “fairness”.

At the same time, it has made it easier for applicants to obtain preliminary measures, giving the impression every applicant gets something, while controversially deciding in 2001 that those measures, which were previously exhortatory, are binding.

The result is that provisional measures have proliferated: in the past decade alone, they have been imposed in 12 cases, as against 10 in the entire period from 1945 to 1995.

Last week’s decision simply accentuates that trend by yet again lowering the thresholds for asserting jurisdiction, establishing an applicant’s standing and imposing provisional measures. Moreover, by requiring Israel to report monthly, the ICJ has ensured the case will be continuously relitigated, dealing itself into a dispute it cannot possibly resolve.

None of that will be costless. Already, the compliance rate with the ICJ’s provisional measures has plummeted: excluding this decision, there was no compliance at all with its orders in four of the five cases decided since 2016, and only very limited, utterly ineffectual, compliance in the other.

That might not matter if the court retained the moral high ground, helping to guide world opinion. But it can hardly do so while continuously reducing its standards, making decisions increasingly ambiguous and opening an unbridgeable gulf between provisional orders and final judgments.

Rather, the ICJ’s growing activism will merely further discredit its jurisdiction and encourage the West’s shift to other adjudicative venues, with the risks that creates of conflicting law, jurisprudential overlap and rampant forum shopping.

Today’s international legal system is a very weak reed: it never has, and never will, live up to its founders’ utopian aspirations. But as the world becomes an ever more dangerous place, it deserves a better fate than this decision foreshadows – and a much wiser one too.

HENRY ERGAS  COLUMNIST
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:46am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am:
Henry Ergas: That leaves Israel free to continue its current campaign, knowing that, as the Convention’s drafters noted, “even heavy civilian losses in the course of operations of war do not as a rule constitute genocide”.


Good one Henry, you appeal to the "convention" whichsupport the slaughter of children so the "grown-ups" can lob bombs at one-another; a disgraceful proposition because the "Convention" is morally bankrupt.   


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When it was established in 1945, the ICJ.....
has responded by trying to make its jurisdiction more attractive, notably to the “global South”.

 
Yes, because  the ICJ is tasked with adjucating the insane convention re "legal war' ie legal murder even of civilians according to Henry the Halfwit...

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That might not matter if the court retained the moral high ground, helping to guide world opinion.


You mean: normalizing the slaughter of children....in the course of upholding the "convention"?

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But it can hardly do so while continuously reducing its standards,


Oh - Henry the Halfwit; your argument is based on your blindness to the insanity of 'legal war' - and the slaughter of children not being regarded ("not as a rule") as genocide, so the rest of your comments are GIGO. 

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Rather, the ICJ’s growing activism will merely further discredit its jurisdiction and encourage the West’s shift to other adjudicative venues, with the risks that creates of conflicting law, jurisprudential overlap and rampant forum shopping.


Hopefully, on the path to discrediting the obsolete conventions re "national sovereignty", in the age of MAD. 

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Today’s international legal system is a very weak reed: it never has, and never will, live up to its founders’ utopian aspirations. But as the world becomes an ever more dangerous place, it deserves a better fate than this decision foreshadows – and a much wiser one too.[/b]


A correct statement on its face, but look at the hidden biases: saving mankind from the scourge of war is "utopian", even though "the world deserves a better fate" .....  contradictions courtesy of Henry the Halfwit.


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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm
 
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.

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Reply #5 - Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.



That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".
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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2024 at 2:25pm
 
The Geneva Convention is out-dated.
It's a free-for-all, when it comes to War.
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.



That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?

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Reply #8 - Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.



That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.

 
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Reply #9 - Feb 4th, 2024 at 1:38pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am:
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.



That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.

 


Very stupid, bird-brain, parrot/mindless knee jerk b.s., as usual from you.

All you ever expose is your utter stupidity, lack of ANY learning and as blinkered, loud, repetitious stupidity - exactly  like Bbwian's endless tsk, tsk and eyerolling or thicko Smith's endless 'dumbarseing' in response to everything.


What you said above in three sentences: rules of war are insane. But things changed and rules of war were established by the noble UN in 1946 so that was good but then those good rules were corrupted and so now sumefin' or sumfin'.  You contradict yourself twice in three sentences.

You are self-exposing alright, just not anything to be proud of.

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Reply #10 - Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 1:38pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am:
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.



That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.


Very stupid, bird-brain, parrot/mindless knee jerk b.s., as usual from you.


Right.... now let's see your argument...(though undoubtedly it's as contradictory as Ergas, who says it's "utopian" to save mankind from the scourge of war, while at the same time saying we "deserve something better").

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All you ever expose is your utter stupidity, lack of ANY learning and as blinkered, loud, repetitious stupidity - exactly  like Bbwian's endless tsk, tsk and eyerolling or thicko Smith's endless 'dumbarseing' in response to everything.


Still patiently waiting for your argument....

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What you said above in three sentences:....


At last, your argument.....

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rules of war are insane....


Obviously, given war results in the murder of children, which Ergas claims is "lawful" according to the "rules of war".  There's the insanity, right there.

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But things changed and rules of war were established by the noble UN in 1946


Correct so far...


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so that was good


The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.

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but then those good rules were corrupted...


Yes, corrupted by the obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty", and the associated demands of the US and USSR for the veto power, in the proposed UNSC.

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and so now sumefin' or sumfin'.  You contradict yourself twice in three sentences.


And so your brain turns to mash, incapacitated by your "natural individual rights" delusion.  The contradictions are Ergas's; at least he appeals to a better condition for mankind', you are merely a survival of fittest ideologue.

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You are self-exposing alright, just not anything to be proud of.


I'm proud to  argue for a better world,  in which mankind has been saved from the scourge of war.
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Reply #11 - Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:29pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

...

The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.

[quote]but then those good rules were corrupted...



You are stupid and self- contadictory as a matter of strict personal policy.


Insane, yet can be set as a good goal ( ie not insane in the next sentence), which was then corrupted (but could be set right again, if only Panda Xi and the CCP were world king).

You are a parrot shitting all over the  place insisting that you are exposing the roo the root of all the ills of the world. You are, instead, a deranged monomaniac.
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Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:29pm:
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Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

...

The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.
....but then those good rules were corrupted...

You are stupid and self- contadictory as a matter of strict personal policy.

Insane, yet can be set as a good goal ( ie not insane in the next sentence), which was then corrupted (but could be set right again, if only Panda Xi and the CCP were world king).

You are a parrot shitting all over the  place insisting that you are exposing the roo the root of all the ills of the world. You are, instead, a deranged monomaniac.


I think you would find a jury of debating experts would fail you, for that reply.

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Insane, yet can be set as a good goal


war - and the concept of "legal" war even more so -  IS insane, because in the latter case it legalizes the slaughter of children, as confirmed by Ergas.   

Outlawing war is the goal, which was rendered unachievable by erroneous law.

As for the CCP, they support UN multi-lateralism - as opposed to Trump's uni-lateralism,  for example.

But as to whether China would make a better 'world policeman' than the US if it becomes the world's most poweful economy, I'm not prepared to say at this stage.
(though I do think China would be more interested than the US in getting rid of the UNSC veto, if China was the most powerful nation in the world, keen to demonstrate the advantages of "common prosperity".


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Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:59am
 
Sorrow and fury: a letter from American rabbis to President Biden


Dear President Biden,

As American rabbis, we write to you with deep sorrow and fury...

We are compelled to speak with moral clarity about what is happening to Palestinians at this very moment. We do so not in spite of our histories, but because of them. We know in our bones what it means to hear Israeli officials dehumanize an entire people, to witness the Israeli military mass murder tens of thousands of Palestinians, to watch Israel systematically destroy civilian infrastructure, cultural institutions, universities, and hospitals. To see Israel purposefully deny food, medicine, and shelter to refugees.

We hold the traumatic history of our people with care and sensitivity — and know how  painful it is for Jews to grasp that a Jewish state could possibly commit a genocide. Nevertheless, we must agree with increasing numbers of scholars and international rights experts who have determined that Israel’s actions in Gaza constitute, in the words of Prof. Raz Segal, “a textbook case of genocide.”

We support and uplift South Africa’s recent application to the International Court of Justice claiming Israel is in breach of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. And now, Palestinian human rights organizations, together with Palestinians in the US and Gaza, are bringing a case against your administration for failure to prevent, and complicity in, the Israeli government’s unfolding genocide against them, their families, and the 2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza. We stand in support of their action as well.


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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
Meanwhile the idiot thug Netanyahu is strengthening the recent China-brokered rapprochement between S.Arabia and Iran; yesterday the Saudi Prince said he would not establish diplomatic relations with Israel until a  Palestinian state was established along the '67 borders.

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