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Baronvonrort

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Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Feb 1^st, 2024 at 10:27pm

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Drug Overdose Death Rates

More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER).

https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1901 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #1 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 5:39pm The drug death rates can be legitimately compared to gun deaths because they both occur within the same population total. Were they compared to another country then the rate per a set figure would have to be used.
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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #2 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 5:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 10:27pm:

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Drug Overdose Death Rates

More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER).

https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

How many innocent people that do not take drugs are killed by mass drug overdoses???

How many innocent school children are murdered by drug overdoses???

Who's decision is it take drugs!!!

All this bullshit comparison shows is how stupid the OP is....There is no comparison to self inflicted drug overdoses and mass shootings of innocent people!!!

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Reply #3 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 8:04pm

"I can't breath!"
...how many people were raped, bashed, killed, murdered, pillaged, had their livelihoods burnt to the ground, looted, etc?
All by some Fentanyl junkie's lack of personal responsibility and reluctance to comply to law?

For decades, many FBI agents would say "I can't breath!" when shoved into a police car, restrained, etc - because, while in plain clothes. They willingly refused to comply with Police Officers who were in an 'unsure' state of their identity until proven? Would you take it easy if some guy said he was FBI, refused to follow orders, etc? Hell no.
These FBI agents use their arrests as a means to sue the Police Departments for nice retirement payouts. They're basically 'scamming' the system and most Americans when the Police are called - all do the same "I can't breath." excuse to both Soccer Dive and not comply. George Floyd was no different.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #4 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 10:27pm:

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Drug Overdose Death Rates

More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER).

https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

I see. So who was in charge for the preceding four years?

Don't tell me - DL?

Ah.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6965 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #5 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:32pm The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40679	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #6 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:11pm So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then? Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #7 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:12pm

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:32pm:

The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!

The exclamation mark is probably somewhat superfluous here, Mort. I mean, one could probably say the same about, you know - school shootings!

Domestic homicides!

Youth suicides!

Do you think the use of punctuation gives these statistics the gravitas they deserve?

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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #8 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40pm

An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and
drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable. I guess the
intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the
impact of gun deaths in some way.

US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and
undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as
well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by
rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a
21st century society as well as currently available firearms,
rather than 200-year-old single shot long guns.

At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge
against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school
armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or
twenty people on the spot is it?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18200 Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #9 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 11:26pm
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47295 Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #10 - Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 11:29pm Don't forget to get you 25th Covid jab!
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 94975 Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #11 - Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 12:06am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 11:26pm: If you made murder illegal, eh? Good point, Baron. So I'm curious. Why don't we make drugs legal? Thoughts?
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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 5999 Victoria Gender:	Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths Reply #12 - Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 12:17am Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for personal use should be made legal.
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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #13 - Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 6:27am

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:32pm:

The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!

The subculture of white Americans? Undecided

"Between 1982 and December 2023, 80 out of the 149 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 26 mass shootings, and Latino in 12. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 54 percent, 17 percent, and eight percent respectively."

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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Re: Drug overdose deaths outnumber gun deaths
Reply #14 - Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 10:26am

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40pm:

An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and
drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable. I guess the
intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the
impact of gun deaths in some way.

US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and
undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as
well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by
rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a
21st century society as well as currently available firearms,
-
rather than 200-year-old single shot long guns.

At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge
against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school
armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or
twenty people on the spot is it?

How would you rewrite the Second Amendment?

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