thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2024 at 5:39pm:


The people alive now want to slaughter Jews. The Jews don't want to be slaughtered. Fairly irreconcilable differences, IMO. How do you suggest we deal with that? Paperwork?

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2024 at 6:21pm:


The two-state solution is there for the taking. All they have to do is build a functioning state instead of trying to slaughter Jews. If that was what they actually wanted, the Israelis would not be able to stop them.

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The UN is good for doing a body count. Not preventing one.

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The Jews would rather live in reality than die in your fantasy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/undercover-israeli-killings-west-bank-...

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Israel is not another expansionist empire. That's just another of your deluded fantasies.

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm:


Actually, it is.

In the sense that the Zionist fanatics want all the land  'from the Nile to the Euphrates'.

IOW, Greater Israel.

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 9:50pm:


Well there's the flaw in your argument.
The Zionists are 'religious' fanatics who hold onto the 'old way' which basically will lead to 'revenge' aspects needing two graves.
The Israelis are 'military' in their cultural expression.

The Israelis are NOT expansionists and in fact negotiated once with the PLO to offer more land. Which was refused on the basis that the PLO wanted Israel's death instead.

The Zionists are Israel's inner turmoil, but the Zionists are not in control as everyone might 'hope' for. There are often 'conflicts' between the Israeli military and the Zionists 'religious' who do want to 'exploit' the Military and and force the military to do their dirty work and take land off Palestinians.

So you can also see why and how the Israeli Military conduct themselves with as much 'professionalism' and moral conduct as 'ANYONE COULD HOPE FOR' out of a Military...
...which makes any other nation look bad: like the USA, the UN, NATO-Europeans and more when they try to act 'the good guys'. Hence why some bad Media from the USA at Israel = fear and resentment.

If the borders of Israel expand, its only because they are filling the 'void' left from an imploded Palestine that turned away from Christianity 'ahead' and turned on Judaism coming up from behind like a big brother Islam belting up its little brother Israel for joining the 'military'. Bully for Palestine, eh?

Funny how the Saudi's (with help from Trump) met with the Israelis and came to 'full understanding' as it is said over there.
Now Saudi is a prime cultural birthplace of Mohommedism.
...but Iran is that of Zoroastrianism. 

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 1:50pm:


So I mentioned G Khan not for his imperial ambitions, but for his methods of total genocide to deal with a resisting population. Netanyahu would love it, but Biden's  admin.  doesn't agree...

So back to my point: the Palestinians aren't going anywhere; you see continuous war as the reality, I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution. 

You insist on saying my anti-war policy (achievable via a UNSC without veto and hence speaking with one voice, given the UNSC has 99.9% of the world's military force -sufficient to guarantee security for all) is delusional, proving you think the only valuable life is your own sorry a*se (and those with your own deluded 'natural individual rights' ideology), while the rest of humanity can be destroyed in war like vermin.

Easy ideology to hold, when your backer spends as much on the military as the rest of the world combined.