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Reply #180 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

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I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution.

You are naive. You do not understand the problem. The Palestinians are not upset because the paperwork is not in order. They are upset because the Jews are not dead yet.

That's the partisan formulation. The official Arab League stance - for a long time - has been to accept the 2-state solution.

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Your policy is naive.

Says the deluded 'natural individual rights' ideologue. Not a good foundation for policy.

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It relies on compelling other nations to do something that you have no way of compelling them to do. It is magical thinking.

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

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Reply #181 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Who makes the law? How?
Who enforces the law? How?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #182 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

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I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution.

You are naive. You do not understand the problem. The Palestinians are not upset because the paperwork is not in order. They are upset because the Jews are not dead yet.

That's the partisan formulation.

That's Islam. You need to look at the reality behind the conflict instead of thinking you can magically solve it with the right paperwork.

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Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Islam is not rational. They want to kill the Jews. The conflict does not arise because they have never been given the chance to act rationally, but because their religion compels them to destroy. A "solution" that fails to recognise this is useless magical thinking.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #183 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Who makes the law? How?

Law-makers chosen by election, consensus, or appointment.

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Who enforces the law? How?

The police, by sanctions defined in law.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #184 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

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I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution.

You are naive. You do not understand the problem. The Palestinians are not upset because the paperwork is not in order. They are upset because the Jews are not dead yet.

That's the partisan formulation.

That's Islam.

Then explain how the islamic Arab League accepts Israel's existance.

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Islam is not rational.

By definition, faith is not rational - least of all dogma re "The Chosen People" and "The Promised Land".

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #185 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

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I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution.

You are naive. You do not understand the problem. The Palestinians are not upset because the paperwork is not in order. They are upset because the Jews are not dead yet.

That's the partisan formulation.

That's Islam.

Then explain how the islamic Arab League accepts Israel's existance.

You are talking rot, as usual.

Furthermore, a large majority of states within the Arab League do not recognize Israel, and Israelis and Jews in general are considered a frequent target of antisemitism in the Arab world.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #186 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 11:27am:

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I see implementaion of UN242 as the solution.

You are naive. You do not understand the problem. The Palestinians are not upset because the paperwork is not in order. They are upset because the Jews are not dead yet.

That's the partisan formulation.

That's Islam.

Then explain how the islamic Arab League accepts Israel's existance.

With a great deal of hypocrisy and coercion I expect. It has only taken them 50 years to face up to reality.

Remember, this is the same group of nations that did this:

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #187 - Mar 4^th, 2024 at 6:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Who makes the law? How?

Law-makers chosen by election, consensus, or appointment.

And these three methods are as good as each other?

Who decides the consensus?
Who gives the authority to the appointees?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12983 Gender:	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #189 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 7:58am freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm: With a great deal of hypocrisy and coercion I expect. It has only taken them 50 years to face up to reality. Right, so Muslims have been forced to accept Israel's existence. And when will Netanyahu's mob of RW nutters be forced to aaccept UN res 242?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #190 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 8:05am

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Who makes the law? How?

Law-makers chosen by election, consensus, or appointment.

And these three methods are as good as each other?

Dunno; the important thing is the quality of the law they legislate.

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Who decides the consensus?
Who gives the authority to the appointees?

The governing party; but again, the important thing is law which engenders shared prosperity and security.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #191 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 8:14am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2024 at 7:58am:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

With a great deal of hypocrisy and coercion I expect. It has only taken them 50 years to face up to reality.

Right, so Muslims have been forced to accept Israel's existence.

No. The Arab League has. Obviously "Muslims" haven't or they would not still be trying to slaughter Jews.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #192 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 9:20am

Israel cannot negotiate with terrorists and give in to their blackmail....HAMAS are using civilians to hide behind because they are terrorists and believe every life sacrificed is Martyred....HAMAS needs to be eliminated and the hostages freed....Israel must return to the negotiating table eventually but they will not deal with HAMAS who are terrorists FFS....Maybe a two State Solution can come of this if Palastine rejects terrorists???

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Hopes had been high over the past week following talks in Paris that there could be a new Gaza ceasefire deal in place for the start of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan next week.

However, while Hamas has now sent a delegation to Cairo for further negotiations with Egyptian and Qatari mediators, Israel has not. This looks like a serious new block.

Israeli officials - quoted in local media - demand clear answers from Hamas on key issues as well as a list of the surviving Israeli hostages who could be released with an agreement.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68469699

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #193 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 10:34am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2024 at 8:05am:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Acceptance of rule of law (whether national or international) is necessary to avoid chaos among self-interested individuals, chaos which is all too all obvious under your delusional "freedom" ideology.

Acceptance of rule of law, to avoid having to kill your opponent, is rational, something your deluded Libertarian stance cannot understand.

Who makes the law? How?

Law-makers chosen by election, consensus, or appointment.

And these three methods are as good as each other?

Dunno; the important thing is the quality of the law they legislate.

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Who decides the consensus?
Who gives the authority to the appointees?

The governing party; but again, the important thing is law which engenders shared prosperity and security.

So what is the best way to make the best laws?
Have the government simply print then, like money?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #194 - Mar 6^th, 2024 at 11:14pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2024 at 11:52am:

A even longer back it was originally Israel/Judah - Jewish lands, before the Romans set up Palestine.

The Romans did not set up Palestine.

The area was called Palestine by the Greeks long before the Romans. The Greeks had called the whole region “Palestina” or some variant for centuries. In the 5th century BCE, the Greek historian Herodotus used the word “Palaistine” to refer to the region. He traveled to Palestine, and his writings speak of the land’s Arab inhabitants but not of Judea or Jews.

See Palestine A Four Thousand Year History by Nur Masalha.

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