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By sticking to what they do best, lying. 

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 11:32pm:


I responded to this one here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1327483631/390#391

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 7:17am:


Why not respond in this thread?

Or are you trying to avoid addressing this:

If Muhammad really was intent on 'slaughtering Jews', as you like to put it, then why were they given such safe havens? Had Islam called for the destruction of Jews, if it is 'written into Islam', why did Jews thrive under Muslim rule, while Christians were busy persecuting them?

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 11:10pm:


Because we have already had the same discussion many times on the Islam board.

As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries

Uri Avnery, Mohammed’s Sword

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Why not? Surely a viable state is the best antidote to this?

It is not settlements that prevents the Palestinians forming a functioning state. It is their frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of Jews and the existence of a 'Jewish' state.

Nonsense.

I've shown that no Israeli leader would dare attempt to negotiate with the Palestinians after what happened to PM Rabin.

You are confused. The Palestinians do not need to negotiate in order to set up a functioning state.

Who do you think the Israelis negotiated with when they set up Israel?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:


You have everything back to front because you are ignorant, Great "40 million Chinese deaths was an admin error" Divided Ijit.

On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, adopted by 33 votes to 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.

except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.

freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:



You finally got something right. It was never a state. It's an outdoor prison and the IDF are the prison wardens. Thats all it ever was.