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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #285 - Mar 30th, 2024 at 10:18am  
freediver wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 10:13am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:42am:
freediver wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:36am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:19pm:
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One with a government that has and exercises authority over it's citizens and provides basic services, such that it is not reliant on welfare from other countries.


Er....you missed the first requirement, ie a defined area. 

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Basically the opposite of a failed state, except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.


??

You don't need to argue it, the fact is Palestine was never proclained when Israel was (as per half of the Partition Plan). 

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The UN  should not have recognized Israel at that point in time, without also recognising Palestine, as per the UN Partition Plan
.

State recognition is not an act of fairness or reciprocity. It is a recognition of reality. You are confused about the role of the UN. Reality does not unfold from it's paperwork.


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?


No. My problem is the UN failed to see its Partition Plan securely realized, owing to UN dysfunction caused by the West's delusional "individual rights" ideology which forced the veto into the UNSC. 


If the UN released amended paperwork....


Didn't read my post? Or just dumb?

Go back to sleep.


If the UN released amended paperwork that was consistent with the current borders, would your problem go away?


Proving you are just dumb...(assuming you DID read my post).

No. A UNSC speaking with one voice is not "amended paperwork"; it's a change in the manifestation and application of power. 

Netanyahu wouldn't like it....


 
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #286 - Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:03am  
If the UN "spoke with one voice" to achieve a "change in the manifestation and application of power" that was consistent with the current borders, would your problem go away?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #287 - Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:40am  
freediver wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:03am:
If the UN "spoke with one voice" to achieve a "change in the manifestation and application of power" that was consistent with the current borders, would your problem go away?


Consistent with the "current borders"? What are those?


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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #288 - Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:48am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:40am:
freediver wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 11:03am:
If the UN "spoke with one voice" to achieve a "change in the manifestation and application of power" that was consistent with the current borders, would your problem go away?


Consistent with the "current borders"? What are those?


Do you not know what I mean, or do you not know how to look up a map?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #289 - Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:54am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:19pm:
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One with a government that has and exercises authority over it's citizens and provides basic services, such that it is not reliant on welfare from other countries.


Er....you missed the first requirement, ie a defined area. 

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Basically the opposite of a failed state, except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.


??

You don't need to argue it, the fact is Palestine was never proclained when Israel was (as per half of the Partition Plan). 

Quote:
The UN  should not have recognized Israel at that point in time, without also recognising Palestine, as per the UN Partition Plan
.

State recognition is not an act of fairness or reciprocity. It is a recognition of reality. You are confused about the role of the UN. Reality does not unfold from it's paperwork.


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?


No. My problem is the UN failed to see its Partition Plan [b]securely realized[/b], owing to UN dysfunction caused by the West's delusional "individual rights" ideology which forced the veto into the UNSC. 

There are no "individual rights" (or "national sovereignty"), without chaos - as we have seen.   


Divide & rule ey?

Or are you just dirty that they failed to create another Jew hating Arab state?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #290 - Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:58am  
Gnads wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:54am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:19pm:
Quote:
One with a government that has and exercises authority over it's citizens and provides basic services, such that it is not reliant on welfare from other countries.


Er....you missed the first requirement, ie a defined area. 

Quote:
Basically the opposite of a failed state, except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.


??

You don't need to argue it, the fact is Palestine was never proclained when Israel was (as per half of the Partition Plan). 

Quote:
The UN  should not have recognized Israel at that point in time, without also recognising Palestine, as per the UN Partition Plan
.

State recognition is not an act of fairness or reciprocity. It is a recognition of reality. You are confused about the role of the UN. Reality does not unfold from it's paperwork.


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?


No. My problem is the UN failed to see its Partition Plan [b]securely realized[/b], owing to UN dysfunction caused by the West's delusional "individual rights" ideology which forced the veto into the UNSC. 

There are no "individual rights" (or "national sovereignty"), without chaos - as we have seen.   


Divide & rule ey?


No; who is "dividing and ruling"?

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Or are you just dirty that they failed to create another Jew hating Arab state?


No;  I'm dismayed your 'individual rights' lizard brain is still in charge of world affairs.
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #291 - Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:05am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:58am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:54am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:19pm:
Quote:
One with a government that has and exercises authority over it's citizens and provides basic services, such that it is not reliant on welfare from other countries.


Er....you missed the first requirement, ie a defined area. 

Quote:
Basically the opposite of a failed state, except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.


??

You don't need to argue it, the fact is Palestine was never proclained when Israel was (as per half of the Partition Plan). 

Quote:
The UN  should not have recognized Israel at that point in time, without also recognising Palestine, as per the UN Partition Plan
.

State recognition is not an act of fairness or reciprocity. It is a recognition of reality. You are confused about the role of the UN. Reality does not unfold from it's paperwork.


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?


No. My problem is the UN failed to see its Partition Plan [b]securely realized[/b], owing to UN dysfunction caused by the West's delusional "individual rights" ideology which forced the veto into the UNSC. 

There are no "individual rights" (or "national sovereignty"), without chaos - as we have seen.   


Divide & rule ey?


No; who is "dividing and ruling"?

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Or are you just dirty that they failed to create another Jew hating Arab state?


No;  I'm dismayed your 'individual rights' lizard brain is still in charge of world affairs.



Who is that 'I' that is dismayed, stupid parrot, if not an individual???
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #292 - Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:08pm  
Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 10:05am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1st, 2024 at 9:58am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 11:54am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:19pm:
Quote:
One with a government that has and exercises authority over it's citizens and provides basic services, such that it is not reliant on welfare from other countries.


Er....you missed the first requirement, ie a defined area. 

Quote:
Basically the opposite of a failed state, except that in the case of Palestine you could argue that there was not a state there to begin with.


??

You don't need to argue it, the fact is Palestine was never proclained when Israel was (as per half of the Partition Plan). 

Quote:
The UN  should not have recognized Israel at that point in time, without also recognising Palestine, as per the UN Partition Plan
.

State recognition is not an act of fairness or reciprocity. It is a recognition of reality. You are confused about the role of the UN. Reality does not unfold from it's paperwork.


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?


No. My problem is the UN failed to see its Partition Plan securely realized[/b], owing to UN dysfunction caused by the West's delusional "individual rights" ideology which forced the veto into the UNSC. 

There are no "individual rights" (or "national sovereignty"), without chaos - as we have seen.   


Divide & rule ey?


No; who is "dividing and ruling"?

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Or are you just dirty that they failed to create another Jew hating Arab state?


No;  I'm dismayed your 'individual rights' lizard brain is still in charge of world affairs.


Who is that 'I' that is dismayed, stupid parrot, if not an individual???


Fallacy of composition again (geez your 'individual rights' delusion is wreaking havoc with your brain).

"I" am not the individuals who are deluded by the 'natural individual rights' delusion, and its associated "absolute national sovereignty" delusion which is causing havoc in our world.

eg,  lizard-brain Netanyahu bleating about Israel's "right to defend itself" by committing genocide,  because it has "absolute national sovereignty"  and the UNSC is powerless to enforce international law.      

Understand?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #293 - Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:40pm  
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922


There will never be peace between muslims who are following Islam and the Jews.

If you can't see what the problem is there is no help for your stupidity.
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Reply #294 - Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:58pm  
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:40pm:
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922


There will never be peace between muslims who are following Islam and the Jews.


And Jews who are committing genocide as commanded by  the 'Word of God' ( eg 1 Samuel 15 , 1-3)

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If you can't see what the problem is there is no help for your stupidity.


You quoted ancient scripture to make your case; I countered with other ancient scripture - which is responsible for the  current Gazan war, because Rabin's murderer, who was following that scrpture,   succeeded in derailing  the Oslo Accords forever.   

Perhaps try another argument, addressing why the  UNSC is powerless to maintain the peace.
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #295 - Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:02pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:40pm:
Quote:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922


There will never be peace between muslims who are following Islam and the Jews.


And Jews who are committing genocide as commanded by  the 'Word of God' ( eg 1 Samuel 15 , 1-3)

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If you can't see what the problem is there is no help for your stupidity.


You quoted ancient scripture to make your case; I countered with other ancient scripture - which is responsible for the  current Gazan war, because Rabin's murderer, who was following that scrpture,   succeeded in derailing  the Oslo Accords forever.   

Perhaps try another argument.


Ham-ass started this current war so all you're doing is clutching at straws.

How many of the Hamas Israel wars were started by Israel is it zero zip zilch?
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Reply #296 - Apr 3rd, 2024 at 12:54pm  
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 4:40pm:
Quote:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922


There will never be peace between muslims who are following Islam and the Jews.


And Jews who are committing genocide as commanded by  the 'Word of God' ( eg 1 Samuel 15 , 1-3)

Quote:
If you can't see what the problem is there is no help for your stupidity.


You quoted ancient scripture to make your case; I countered with other ancient scripture - which is responsible for the  current Gazan war, because Rabin's murderer, who was following that scrpture,   succeeded in derailing  the Oslo Accords forever.   

Perhaps try another argument.


Ham-ass started this current war so all you're doing is clutching at straws.


Wrong again. Hamas itself was a result  of the failure of the Oslo Accords.

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How many of the Hamas Israel wars were started by Israel is it zero zip zilch?


Israel's continued existence in the absence of a Palestinian state is an affront to the entire world.

Ready to look at why the UNSC is powerless to implement UN res 242, and maintain the peace?
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Reply #297 - Apr 3rd, 2024 at 12:59pm  
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Israel's continued existence in the absence of a Palestinian state is an affront to the entire world.


Are you suggesting it is Israel's fault that the Palestinians cannot establish a functioning state?
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Reply #298 - Apr 3rd, 2024 at 2:28pm  
freediver wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 5:20am:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:07pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 9:00am:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 10:31pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2024 at 7:56am:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 26th, 2024 at 5:21am:
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2024 at 7:18am:
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What 'democracy' are you talking about? Because I showed that Western-style democracy is incompatible with a Jewish state.


Can you explain why the only 'Jewish' state in existence has a western style democracy?


It doesn't.


How does the style differ?


By the many discriminatory laws which amount to a system of apartheid.


So it's not the democracy, you just disagree with what people vote for?


What a pathetic dodge.



Are you saying that whether it is actually a democracy is somehow irrelevant to whether it is a democracy?


What an idiotic response!
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Reply #299 - Apr 3rd, 2024 at 2:29pm  
Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 10:11am:
The UN creates nothing. That is why even Hammond has the word in inverted commas, "created".


Except those are quotation marks not inverted commas. Or don't you know the difference?

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 10:11am:
The UN voted to approve the resolution for the creation of two states within specified borders. The Jewish leadership accepted the vote and created the State of Israel by declaring it, along the lines of the UN resolution, thereby giving the new state UN endorsed legitimacy.


Why do you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again? If that article didn't suit you then try an a/v version:

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(Hammond) explained why the belief that the United Nations (UN) created Israel is a myth, and how, in truth, General Assembly Resolution 181 of November 1947 neither partitioned Palestine nor conferred any legal authority to the Zionist leadership for their unilateral declaration of the existence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948...

(Hammond) also explained briefly why the partition plan was totally inequitable and indeed premised on a rejection of the Palestinians’ right to self-determination...


https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2024/03/29/interview-un-creation-israel/


Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 10:11am:
The Arabs, never ever wanting or endorsing ANY Jewish state in Israel, rejected the UN resolution, rejected the declaration of creating of Israel and immediately attacked it to stangle it at birth. They failed to kill it off. Subsequently the Arabs were offered another 5 opportunities to create a Palestinian state. They rejected all of them


I showed you here how that wasn't the case:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/1078#1078

So why over 2 months later are you still repeating the same lie?
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