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Reply #330 - Apr 15^th, 2024 at 5:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

I am not aware of any differences in their rights.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel#:~:text=Ar...

"Do they have the same rights and opportunities as other Israelis?

Israel’s declaration of independence recognizes the equality of all the country’s residents, Arabs included, but equality is not explicitly enshrined in Israel’s Basic Laws, the closest thing it has to a constitution. Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

More political freedoms, maybe, but not more economic opportunities:

" Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Qataris have more economic opportunities than Arabs in Israel, some of whom, eg, see their properties in East Jersusalem confisctaed.

You are straying into law badly affected by delusional 'individual rights' ideology again, there should be no confiscation of Arab homes anywhere in Israel, and no gap between Arab and non-Arab economic outcomes in Israel.

Note: Israel and the UAE have roughly the same population and gdp per capita, yet the culture-based gap - indicating discrimination - exists in Israel.

Are you saying there is no culture of discrimination in the UAE?

Are you saying Qataris have more economic rights, or just more money, on account of all the oil wealth?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #331 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 10:18am

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

Note: Israel and the UAE have roughly the same population and gdp per capita, yet the culture-based gap - indicating discrimination - exists in Israel.

In 2019, the UAE had the second-largest international migrant stock in the world at 87.9% with 8.6 million migrants (out of a total population of 9.8 million).[2] Non-citizen, migrant workers, account for 90% of its workforce.

Migrants, mostly of South Asian origin, constitute the majority of the UAE’s workforce[29] and have reportedly been subject to a range of human rights abuses. Workers have sometimes arrived in debt to recruitment agents from home countries and upon arrival were made to sign a new contract in English or Arabic that pays them less than had originally been agreed, although this is illegal under UAE law.[30] Further to this, some categories of workers have had their passports withheld by their employer. This practice, although illegal, is to ensure that workers do not abscond or leave the country on un-permitted trips.[31] Although racial discrimination is prohibited by UAE law, there are some incidents where individuals have been ill-treated on the basis of their nationality or race by employers.

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The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has the second highest prevalence in the Arab States region, and the seventh highest prevalence in the Global Slavery Index. Migrant workers in the UAE are particularly vulnerable under the kafala (sponsorship) system, a restrictive work permit system that ties migrant workers to their employer.
https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/united-arab-emirat...

Ah... so discrimination is evident in Israel and the UAE,
with both entities offering economic advantages to the dominant group.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #332 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 10:25am

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

I am not aware of any differences in their rights.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel#:~:text=Ar...

"Do they have the same rights and opportunities as other Israelis?

Israel’s declaration of independence recognizes the equality of all the country’s residents, Arabs included, but equality is not explicitly enshrined in Israel’s Basic Laws, the closest thing it has to a constitution. Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

More political freedoms, maybe, but not more economic opportunities:

" Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Qataris have more economic opportunities than Arabs in Israel, some of whom, eg, see their properties in East Jersusalem confisctaed.

You are straying into law badly affected by delusional 'individual rights' ideology again, there should be no confiscation of Arab homes anywhere in Israel, and no gap between Arab and non-Arab economic outcomes in Israel.

Note: Israel and the UAE have roughly the same population and gdp per capita, yet the culture-based gap - indicating discrimination - exists in Israel.

Are you saying there is no culture of discrimination in the UAE?

Well, Frank has just corrected me on that; it seems economic discrimination on ethnic grounds is rife in BOTH the UAE and Israel.

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Are you saying Qataris have more economic rights, or just more money, on account of all the oil wealth?

I'm saying the UAE, with the same population as Israel, is as wealthy as Israel on a gdp per capita basis.

But both entities discriminate (re money) on ethnic grounds.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49096 At my desk.	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #333 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 10:37am You are going round in circles TGD. Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country? "They both discriminate," and "some of the Arab countries have a lot of oil money" are not answers. They are a spineless evasion.
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #334 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:14am

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

You are going round in circles TGD.

Hookaay...let's read on:

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Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

I agree Arab Israelis suffer many discriminations in Israel.

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"They both discriminate,"

Which is true, as already shown: you are denying discrimination against Israeli-Arabs - a clear case of your ideological blindness.

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and "some of the Arab countries have a lot of oil money" are not answers. They are a spineless evasion.

The relevant question (re economic discrimination) is the distribution of that wealth on ethnic grounds.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49096 At my desk.	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #335 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 12:24pm Why is it that every single person who defends the CCP is incapable of giving a straight answer? Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #336 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

Why is it that every single person who defends the CCP is incapable of giving a straight answer?

That's your crippled, deluded 'natural individual rights' construction; you could try refuting each point made.

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Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Irrelevant, the issue is discrimation on ethnic grounds within Israel.

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Reply #337 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

Why is it that every single person who defends the CCP is incapable of giving a straight answer?

That's your crippled, deluded 'natural individual rights' construction; you could try refuting each point made.

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Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Irrelevant, the issue is discrimation on ethnic grounds within Israel.

It is the question I am asking you.

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Why are little pinks always so evasive?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #338 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 2:23pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

Why is it that every single person who defends the CCP is incapable of giving a straight answer?

That's your crippled, deluded 'natural individual rights' construction; you could try refuting each point made.

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Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Irrelevant, the issue is discrimation on ethnic grounds within Israel.

It is the question I am asking you.

I don't know..... is the answer to that irrelevant question.

eg, do "rights" in the world's largest Muslim country have any relevance to your "Muslim Jew-hating" theory, or fail in comparison with "rights" in Israel?

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Why are little pinks always so evasive?

How you can even ask that question with a straight face, given our dozen or more exchanges today, is indeed telling.

Just because I don't address your irrelevent questions is not equivalent to being "so evasive", because I answer most of your endless questions (as the record will show)....while YOU invariably latch onto one point out of many made by me, ignoring the rest.

Deplorable.

Now, back to discrimination on ethnic grounds in Israel: do you agree with every non-ideologiaclly blind person that it exists?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #339 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 3:22pm

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I don't know..... is the answer to that irrelevant question.

Whether they Israeli's "stole" the country is irrelevant. They gave the Muslims democracy. They gave them more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country. They created a nation where no-one else was willing to. And all you can do is complain and pretend you could have done it better.

Demanding that an authority that does not actually exists rides in on a white horse and brings peace to the middle east is not relevant or useful, other than to highlight your naviete.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #340 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 4:59pm:

Do you know what democracy is?

Yes: "it's the worst form of goverment" ...

Democracy is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least. ― Robert Byrne

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ― Mark Twain

I don't think you can find a true democracy, i.e. government by the people, of the people, for the people, anywhere in the world. All the so-called democracies are actually plutocracies. One author even wrote a book on it with the title, 'The Best Democracy Money Can Buy', an account of the fraudulent 2000 US general election. Perhaps an argument could be made that the closest we've seen to a true democracy has been in Sweden, perhaps not...

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #341 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:12pm

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 5:28am:

Do you know what the word means?

When the average Westerner hears the term democracy he thinks of basic rights and freedoms, like the freedom to choose his place of residence and his occupation, the right to move freely in public places anywhere in his country, etc. All these rights and freedoms apply equally to all citizens, regardless of ethnicity, creed, economic status, gender, etc. Discriminatory laws which amount to a system of apartheid, which exist in Israel, and there are dozens of them, fly in the face of these basic rights and freedoms.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Reply #343 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:21pm

freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2024 at 6:06am:

Do you not know how to google these things for yourself?

I never use that horrible search engine because it practices censorship, as evidenced by your link, Wikipedia, which was likely the first search result. When it comes to Israel Wikipedia is as pro-Israel as you can get. It was even founded by a Jew, a sleazy porn merchant called Jimbo Wales, who infamously stated he doesn't believe in democracy.

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I have already provided this information to you right here in this thread.

BS, all you've done is evade the issue.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_system_of_government

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The Israeli system of government is based on parliamentary democracy.

Where does it state there that Israeli law has never recognized equality between citizens? Yet that is a fundamental principle of democracy. In recent years the Knesset has rejected passing a Bill for Equality for All Citizens, on more than one occasion.

And why do you always fail to make links active? Of course, if you used modern forum software instead of this antiquated crap it would do it for you.

The reason you don't make them active must be due to laziness. And you've got the gall to call me lazy!

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Reply #344 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:22pm

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

Hamas was born because

Because,

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708435815

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Islam commands Muslims to kill Jews.

Why are you still repeating this lie? I've shown how that cannot be true because for centuries and centuries Jews were not only given protection in Muslim countries but were allowed to conduct their lives and activities as they wished, while Christians were busy persecuting them elsewhere.

Don't you ever learn?

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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