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Reply #345 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:24pm

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Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than any other middle eastern or north african country.

Hasbara, put simply.

Besides, even if it were true it wouldn't excuse Israel's existence as a racist apartheid and Jewish supremacist state.

And the oft-repeated claim that Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights is a lie.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #346 - Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:31pm

There have not been no Jews hiding no bombs in no babies.....

So there ARE Jews hiding bombs in babies? Or no Jews hiding bombs in babies ... I was confused by your multiple negative.

No Jews hiding bombs in no babies... what do you want from me?....

I hear you have been hiding the Jew Shoshona Dreyfus not in babies - but in children's toys!

I have never heard of no such Ham-assed thing.... there are no Jews hidden in babies - being Jewish is a social construct.... I have a giant teddy bear that one of my daughters owns....

Aha! Hiding in the teddy bear I have found your secret!!

You are not hiding in the teddy bear.... it is full of stuffing and you are sitting on my chair with a pistol in our hand ....... not no Jews or youse hiding there.... you are confused...

OMG - I've lost control of my reasoning.....

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Reply #347 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 8:18am

wombatwoody wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:24pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 1:07pm:

Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than any other middle eastern or north african country.

Hasbara, put simply.

Besides, even if it were true it wouldn't excuse Israel's existence as a racist apartheid and Jewish supremacist state.

And the oft-repeated claim that Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights is a lie.

Why do you think it is a lie?

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Why are you still repeating this lie? I've shown how that cannot be true because for centuries and centuries Jews were not only given protection in Muslim countries but were allowed to conduct their lives and activities as they wished, while Christians were busy persecuting them elsewhere.

It is in the Quran. It is in the Hadiths. It is in Muhammad's actions. Muhammad slaughtered a lot of Jews.

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Where does it state there that Israeli law has never recognized equality between citizens? Yet that is a fundamental principle of democracy.

That would be a different article. The article I linked to was about democracy.

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When the average Westerner hears the term democracy he thinks of basic rights and freedoms

People tend to conflate them, for obvious reasons, and yet your use of different words to refer to different things suggests to me that you can tell the difference, even though you pretend not to.

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Reply #349 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 11:16am

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1706934335/325#325 date=1713082568]I am not aware of any differences in their rights.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel#:~:text=Ar...

"Do they have the same rights and opportunities as other Israelis?

Israel’s declaration of independence recognizes the equality of all the country’s residents, Arabs included, but equality is not explicitly enshrined in Israel’s Basic Laws, the closest thing it has to a constitution. Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

More political freedoms, maybe, but not more economic opportunities:

" Some rights groups argue that dozens of laws indirectly or directly discriminate against Arabs."

Qataris have more economic opportunities than Arabs in Israel, some of whom, eg, see their properties in East Jersusalem confisctaed.

You are straying into law badly affected by delusional 'individual rights' ideology again, there should be no confiscation of Arab homes anywhere in Israel, and no gap between Arab and non-Arab economic outcomes in Israel.

Note: Israel and the UAE have roughly the same population and gdp per capita, yet the culture-based gap - indicating discrimination - exists in Israel.

Are you saying there is no culture of discrimination in the UAE?

Are you saying there is no culture of discrimination in Israel? The linked artcle says there is.

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Are you saying Qataris have more economic rights, or just more money, on account of all the oil wealth?

More money equals more economic rights.

So, are you saying there is no culture of discrimination in Israel?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #350 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 11:33am

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 8:18am:

wombatwoody wrote on Apr 16^th, 2024 at 11:24pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 1:07pm:

Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than any other middle eastern or north african country.

Hasbara, put simply.

Besides, even if it were true it wouldn't excuse Israel's existence as a racist apartheid and Jewish supremacist state.

And the oft-repeated claim that Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights is a lie.

Why do you think it is a lie?

Because Arab citizens are indeed discriminated against, resulting in sub-par economic outcomes for Arabs in Israel.

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It is in the Quran. It is in the Hadiths. It is in Muhammad's actions. Muhammad slaughtered a lot of Jews.

Just because it's in the Koran, doesn't mean Muslims need to carry it out today; listen to the Imams in Oz today condemning violence as an insult to Islam which is "a religion of peace".

Iow, a growing number of Muslims are ignoring the anachronistic Koranic commands to slaughter infidels (Jews or otherwise), while ALL religious leaders are calling for peace.

Just as authorization of genocide by Jehovah is ignored by all today, though some seem to indulging themselves...

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That would be a different article. The article I linked to was about democracy.

You two getting enmeshed in the contradictions of democracy among naturally competitve, self-interested individuals?

Have fun....like this:

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People tend to conflate them, for obvious reasons, and yet your use of different words to refer to different things suggests to me that you can tell the difference, even though you pretend not to.

Huh?

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Reply #351 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 11:42am

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Because Arab citizens are indeed discriminated against, resulting in sub-par economic outcomes for Arabs in Israel.

Why is it that the only nations you were prepared to compare there economic situation to were the oil rich ones? And what about actual rights and freedoms?

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Just because it's in the Koran, doesn't mean Muslims need to carry it out today

And yet they do, because the Quran is the same today. How many women do you think were turned into sex slaves by ISIS?

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Iow, a growing number of Muslims are ignoring the anachronistic Koranic commands to slaughter infidels (Jews or otherwise), while ALL religious leaders are calling for peace.

Muslims have always called for peace. What they mean is that Muslims no longer need to slaughter the infidel when everyone is living under the yoke of Islam, or that violence is only sanctioned from the proper religious authorities.

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You two getting enmeshed in the contradictions of democracy among naturally competitve, self-interested individuals?

No. I am sure even Chinese has the same concept of suing different words for different things. Despite the CCP's efforts to change the meaning.

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Reply #352 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 12:06pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

Why is it that the only nations you were prepared to compare there economic situation to were the oil rich ones? And what about actual rights and freedoms?

1. Because economic rights in poor countries are moot.

2. "Actual rights and freedoms" are worthless if you are forced to live in poverty.

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And yet they do.....

See how your blind "freedom" ideology cripples your capacity for rational argument: I already reported the Imams in Oz today are calling for peace because "Allah is peace loving" (in their estimation...).

That goes straight over your head, so you condemn the entire Muslim community because of a teenage boy's uncomprehending violence, seeing himself as a "warrior of god" defending Islam.

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because the Quran is the same today. How many women do you think were turned into sex slaves by ISIS?

Just as the OT's "Promised Land" is the same today, for which peace-maker PM Rabin paid with his life.

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Muslims have always called for peace.

More blind ideology; like the Crusaders, some Moslems today call for 'holy war'.

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What they mean is that Muslims no longer need to slaughter the infidel when everyone is living under the yoke of Islam, or that violence is only sanctioned from the proper religious authorities.

No, that's not what the Imams calling for peace today in Oz mean, where few are living under the "yoke of Islam".

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No. I am sure even Chinese has the same concept of suing different words for different things. Despite the CCP's efforts to change the meaning.

What has China to do with the contradictions in democracies which arise from naturally competitive, self-interested individuals chafing under rule of law?

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Reply #353 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 12:11pm

So you cannot give a straight answer on whether Muslims in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in other middle eastern or north african countries because those countries are either poor, in which case rights and freedoms are moot, or because they are rich from oil, in which case rights and freedoms are moot?

Very cunning little pink. Did the CCP train you to be a BS artist?

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #354 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

So you cannot give a straight answer on whether Muslims in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in other middle eastern or north african countries because those countries are either poor, in which case rights and freedoms are moot, or because they are rich from oil, in which case rights and freedoms are moot?

Very cunning little pink. Did the CCP train you to be a BS artist?

It takes years of education and training to develop that level of convoluted thinking and adherence to doctrine! Look at how many years many older people train at driving down the road to get so bad at it!! Look at how many academics study for years before receiving their intellectual lobotomy as a right!!

Aboriginal mathematics will save us all!! Marles is going to upgrade Defence by cutting spending.... Labor is going to improve housing and ov erall prosperity by importing millions of Outlanders from oddball countries.... Minns and Co are going to open up Australia's best visiting spots by enclosing them to suit the Abos.... PillPerth is going to verbally assault someone as an Albo-hater for saying that Albo condemned hate speeches against Jews at the Opera House...

Remember what I said about those 'Intellectual Nazis' - REAL Nazis who could justify anything by 'reason' and 'science'? Consider the likes of PillPerth the opposite... NON-intellectual Nazis...

Apparently those wanting to cut down on surgeries and drug experiments on minors in Britain are assembling lists of children wanting those things so the kids can be later disposed of in an orderly fashion.... thus goes the insanity of the woke - and shows how very much their fantasy worlds need to be dismantled....

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Reply #355 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:18pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

So you cannot give a straight answer on whether Muslims in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in other middle eastern or north african countries because those countries are either poor, in which case rights and freedoms are moot, or because they are rich from oil, in which case rights and freedoms are moot?

Very cunning little pink. Did the CCP train you to be a BS artist?

Priceless - thanks for the chuckle...."laughter is the best medicine"...

...while you refuse to acknowledge ethnic-based economic discrimination in Israel, as outlined in the linked article.

Deplorable.

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Reply #357 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:26pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

So you cannot give a straight answer on whether Muslims in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in other middle eastern or north african countries because those countries are either poor, in which case rights and freedoms are moot, or because they are rich from oil, in which case rights and freedoms are moot?

Very cunning little pink. Did the CCP train you to be a BS artist?

It takes years of education and training to develop that level of convoluted thinking and adherence to doctrine!

Nah - just a desire for the general welfare and common prosperity, and a knowledge of how to achieve it.

Your free markets certainly won't achieve it, without a guarantee of access to the basics (housing and employment) for all.

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Reply #358 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Ok - for the sake of moving on - yes.

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Or are you upset with the Israeli government for not discovering oil?

No, I'm upset with the Israeli government discriminating against Arab Israelis - as outlned in the linked article.

You?

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Reply #359 - Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:34pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:31pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree that Arab Muslims living in Israel have more rights and freedoms than in any other middle eastern or north african country?

Ok - for the sake of moving on - yes.

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Or are you upset with the Israeli government for not discovering oil?

No, I'm upset with the Israeli government discriminating against Arab Israelis - as outlned in the linked article.

You?

Tell it to the Arab MPs and Major Generals in Israel.... how many Jews have any rights at all in Gaza? The right to be raped, murdered, tortured... you know.. all the valid ones... I say flatten the bloody lot and see what's left.

Now that's all settled - let's get out there and save the world from its fried banana dinner for tonight.... we can do it.... forget the realities of the now shrieked at White Minority in the world carrying the rest on their backs.... put 'em all on the chain gangs and make every last one of them learn how to be a good citizen by planting rice on a bare mountain top..... plenty of room out there for rice paddies.... city livers have become soft and decadent... a little hard work and summary execution for non-compliance Cambodian style never hurt nobody..

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