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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #480 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:36pm

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:36pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

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Today, 146 of 193 UN members recognize Palestine

Oh good. Does that mean it exists now? Problem solved eh?

It means Israel is a criminal state as long as the Palestinian state doesn't exist;

Does it exist now that they have signed a piece of paper saying that it exists? Problem solved eh?

The UNSC, as well as the UNGA, needs to recognize the Palestinian state. But the US is a bad actor in the UNSC.

So now Israel's existence is illegal because the UN has not publicly acknowledged that Palestine exists?

(note: the UN consists of the UNGA AND the UNSC)

Yes, of course. The UNGA has overwhelmingly acknowledged the Palestinian state; the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

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Do you have a copy of the form that the UN needs to sign?

No, the US does.

Do you think the UN has a copy of it?

Both the UN and the US have a copy, BUT:

the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

So its actually America's fault, because they won't let the UN sign a piece of paper recognising that Palestine exists, which causes Israel's existence to be illegal?

Yes.

The Partition of Palestine, and the proposed two states, is UN law.

Therefore Israel's existence, in the absence of the Palestinian state, is illegal.

The US is the bad actor preventing the implementation of the said UN law.

The rest of the UNSC, and most of the UNGA, are ready to sign the law into existence.

Today.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #481 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 5:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:36pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

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Today, 146 of 193 UN members recognize Palestine

Oh good. Does that mean it exists now? Problem solved eh?

It means Israel is a criminal state as long as the Palestinian state doesn't exist;

Does it exist now that they have signed a piece of paper saying that it exists? Problem solved eh?

The UNSC, as well as the UNGA, needs to recognize the Palestinian state. But the US is a bad actor in the UNSC.

So now Israel's existence is illegal because the UN has not publicly acknowledged that Palestine exists?

(note: the UN consists of the UNGA AND the UNSC)

Yes, of course. The UNGA has overwhelmingly acknowledged the Palestinian state; the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

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Do you have a copy of the form that the UN needs to sign?

No, the US does.

Do you think the UN has a copy of it?

Both the UN and the US have a copy, BUT:

the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

So its actually America's fault, because they won't let the UN sign a piece of paper recognising that Palestine exists, which causes Israel's existence to be illegal?

Yes.

The Partition of Palestine, and the resulting two states, is UN law.

Therefore Israel's existence, in the absence of the Palestinian state, is illegal.

The US is the bad actor preventing the implementation of the said UN law.

The rest of the UNSC, and most of the UNGA, are ready to sign the law into existence.

Today.

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The Palestinians could declare a state today.
But they have spent all their energies for the last 75 years on not having a state but destroying one.
So the Palestinians simply do not have the basic ability to create and run their own country. Their wit runs only to ending and wanting to destroy an actual, existing country.
The Gazans spent nearly 20 years building tunnels and rockets, not a functional, self-reliant municipality.
Why?
Because they do NOT want a state alongside Israel. The yy want to destroy Israel FIRST and then think about such mundane things as civil administration.

You can't be a martyr for Allah in the cause of Islam as a municipal librarian or garbage collector.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #482 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:32pm

Frank wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 5:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 1:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:36pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

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Today, 146 of 193 UN members recognize Palestine

Oh good. Does that mean it exists now? Problem solved eh?

It means Israel is a criminal state as long as the Palestinian state doesn't exist;

Does it exist now that they have signed a piece of paper saying that it exists? Problem solved eh?

The UNSC, as well as the UNGA, needs to recognize the Palestinian state. But the US is a bad actor in the UNSC.

So now Israel's existence is illegal because the UN has not publicly acknowledged that Palestine exists?

(note: the UN consists of the UNGA AND the UNSC)

Yes, of course. The UNGA has overwhelmingly acknowledged the Palestinian state; the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

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Do you have a copy of the form that the UN needs to sign?

No, the US does.

Do you think the UN has a copy of it?

Both the UN and the US have a copy, BUT:

the US - being a bad actor in the UNSC - is the ONLY barrier to the UN recognizing the Palestinian state.

So its actually America's fault, because they won't let the UN sign a piece of paper recognising that Palestine exists, which causes Israel's existence to be illegal?

Yes.

The Partition of Palestine, and the resulting two states, is UN law.

Therefore Israel's existence, in the absence of the Palestinian state, is illegal.

The US is the bad actor preventing the implementation of the said UN law.

The rest of the UNSC, and most of the UNGA, are ready to sign the law into existence.

Today.

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The Palestinians could declare a state today.

??

Illegal settlers in the WB - backed by Netanyahu's RW goons in Israel and the US - intend to make sure the Palestinian State is NOT declared by ANYONE.

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But they have spent all their energies for the last 75 years on not having a state but destroying one.

The UN was responsible for creating this confict in the first place (with the botched recognition of only one of the states in the Partition Plan) ; the UN can solve this conflict today, the only barrier being the US - which is the bad actor today.

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So the Palestinians simply do not have the basic ability to create and run their own country. Their wit runs only to ending and wanting to destroy an actual, existing country.

That's the narrative that bad actors in the US and Israel are pushing, namely, we will not negotiate so long as Palestinians want sovereignty in E. Jerusalem and the right of return of refugees.

All the while expanding illegal settlements.

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The Gazans spent nearly 20 years building tunnels and rockets, not a functional, self-reliant municipality.
Why?

All part of resistance to the creation of Israel in Palestine, botched by the UN from the start.

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Because they do NOT want a state alongside Israel. The yy want to destroy Israel FIRST and then think about such mundane things as civil administration.

Your error (confusing past and present): they certainly did not want the creation of Israel in 1947; but now they - and the whole world except for Netanyahu and the US adminsrtration, want to settle for UN res 242.

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You can't be a martyr for Allah in the cause of Islam as a municipal librarian or garbage collector.

I'm sure you can; anyone can be delusional, including RW Christian conservatives who have the US administration in their thrall.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #483 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:53pm

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Illegal settlers in the WB - backed by Netanyahu's RW goons in Israel and the US - intend to make sure the Palestinian State is NOT declared by ANYONE.

If the Palestinians have not declared a state, how can the settlements be illegal? And how do the settlements prevent the Palestinians declaring a state? Surely if they were rational people it would motivate them to do so, unless their real agenda is slaughtering Jews rather than statehood.

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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #484 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:53pm:

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Illegal settlers in the WB - backed by Netanyahu's RW goons in Israel and the US - intend to make sure the Palestinian State is NOT declared by ANYONE.

If the Palestinians have not declared a state, how can the settlements be illegal?

Back to front, upside down, and inside out thinking as usual from your deluded individual freedom brain.

1. Israel refuses to accept the declaration of a Palestinian state - "Jerusalem will never be divided, and right of return is off the table".

2. Hence the increasing illegal settlements in the occupied WB during the supposed "peace process" after the '67 war (the '67 war being part of continuing Arab resistance to the recogntion of Israel without a recognition of the Palestinian state by the UN.

3. Sovereign settlement in occupuied territory is illegal.

Good to see Wong refusing tp grant visas to settler extremists; unlike you she respects internation law.

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And how do the settlements prevent the Palestinians declaring a state?

God help us, with people like FD free to vote....

The settlements are connected to Israel by heavily armed corridors preventing Palestinians from moving freely within the occupied WB.

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Surely if they were rational people it would motivate them to do so, unless their real agenda is slaughtering Jews rather than statehood.

Patiently explained, and refuted above, you deluded individual freedom "shared belief ideologue.

Get back to me about Muslims wanting to slaughgter Jews, AFTER Palestine has been created according to UN res 242.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #485 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:39pm Quote: Israel refuses to accept the declaration of a Palestinian state Surely that is secondary to whether the Palestinians declare a state. Rather than, say, devoting all their efforts to eradicating Jews.
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Reply #486 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:49pm

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:39pm:

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Israel refuses to accept the declaration of a Palestinian state

Surely that is secondary to whether the Palestinians declare a state.

Low IQ?

The Palestinians, the UNSC except for the US, and 3/4 of the UNGA want to - indded HAVE "declared" a state (like Israel did in 1947), but the US is preventing the recognition of that declaration, unlike in 1947 when the UN recognized Israel's unilateral declaration of a state.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #487 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm Quote: Illegal settlers in the WB - backed by Netanyahu's RW goons in Israel and the US - intend to make sure the Palestinian State is NOT declared by ANYONE. Quote: The Palestinians, the UNSC except for the US, and 3/4 of the UNGA want to - indded HAVE "declared" a state ?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #488 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

TGD

Illegal settlers in the WB - backed by Netanyahu's RW goons in Israel and the US - intend to make sure the Palestinian State is NOT declared by ANYONE.

Ie, neither declared nor recognized.

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TGD:

The Palestinians, the UNSC except for the US, and 3/4 of the UNGA want to - indeed HAVE "declared" a state

?

Again, they have all recognized (declared in favour of) a Palestintian state, but the US is the only important player in the world who is blocking that recognition, given its UNSC veto.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10881 armidale Gender:	Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys Reply #489 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 4:29pm 'The United Nations Security Council veto power is the power of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to veto any "substantive" resolution'. Veto is not possible in the General Assembly. Why does tgd talk as if she knows what she's saying?
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Re: Jews hiding bombs in childrens' toys
Reply #490 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 5:04pm

chimera wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

'The United Nations Security Council veto power is the power of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to veto any "substantive" resolution'.

Correct; and the only permanent UNSC member who has consistently used its veto to block implementation of UN res 242. ie, Palestine established along the prewar '67 borders, with E.Jerusalem as the capital, is the US.

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Veto is not possible in the General Assembly. Why does tgd talk as if she knows what she's saying?

YOUR ignorance is exposed above. The UNSC has a deciding vote on any UNGA resolution concerning recognition of a state, meaning ALL five permanent UNSC members must refrain from using the veto, if recognition is to be achieved.

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