UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:28am:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, something I did while on leave?  I spent 10 years in the Army, UnSub.  What were you doing?  Rooting around, being an alcoholic is all you've revealed here of what you did in life.  I spent 25+ years as an IT Technician, a Systems Engineer, a statistical programmer.  I am now retired on a disability pension.  I have three kids and a loving wife.  "Granny-killing psychopaths" are not welcome in the ADF and no, I am not one.  Nor are you, it seems.  The ADF wants well balanced, fit people as recruits.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:



It was the loudest thing I've ever heard.
The compression waves went right through my chest like a sledge hammer.
I don't know how anyone can fire those guns for minutes at a time.
Some army guys seem to enjoy it.
Ever fired a 50 cal yourself or were you always in the office?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 2:37pm:



No - I have seen top fuel drag racing - back in the 1980s -
that was also super loud.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:



I didn't think you would have fired a 50 cal.

I was at Puckapunyal - where the real soldiers are.

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AND you bougt a mail-order Doctor of Divinity, for the "play at being vain snob for the rest of your snivelling life".

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:


According to your profile, you are 63 years old. Therefore, according to your own rules, you no longer have any authority to make comment about the ADF, given that you would be compulsorily retired from the army by now. Unless, of course, Gnads is right about you being a pen pusher in the army. Therefore, you would have little to mention about the army and being one to protect the country.

No, I have never been in a military exercise. I have been in a war zone. I have been overseas in the capacity as a civilian. I have shot targets using a .303. I have used a handgun (police issue). And I was given use of an automatic weapon. Oh, and I have fired one single round from an artillery. I remember going "Whoooah!" as it launched. The guy assisting me just went "Yeah, c'mon let's go again", but I was done by then. I have been in a helicopter. I have also been in a submarine. The only thing I have not done is take a ride in a fighter jet. But combat experience is not the issue here.

What is the issue here is the idea that you cannot fathom the idea that criminal refugees would NOT make good soldiers. Sure, one of them has adequate granny-killing abilities. But the reality is that their psychopathic mindset would derail any chance that they have of being a positive contribution to the army. And there would be a likelihood that given a weapon, you might see a real mess of other soldiers losing their lives to the nutbag whom would have been waiting the opportunity to get a weapon.

Trying to shut me down simply by saying that I have not been in the ADF and therefore makes my opinion invalid is a nonsense. I have probably done more combat experience than you, outside of the army. In actual reality, my life experience has probably shown that I have done more to keep you and your army buddies safe than vice versa.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:14pm:



Thanks Rocky -
it sounds like you have a lot more real experience than Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:23pm:


I had a hard time trying to locate Gnad's quote about the "soft cocks" in the army. But, he did not say that all members of the ADF were "soft cocks". Without reacquiring the quote, I recall him say that he knew of people in the military that were willing to chuck it in. To hell with it, I will look it up:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:


Gnads responded to bias about him probably joking about putting African refugees in the military. Gnads said that there were enough career softcocks in the ADF now who would want to quit if they had to fight or go overseas to fight. If that is the attitude of some in the ADF that had volunteered to join the ADF, imagine how recalcitrant criminal African refugee would be if they were forced to join the ADF. Gnads suggests that the volunteer recruits would be reluctant enough to quit the ADF. I suggest that comparatively, the criminal African refugees would likely take their chances with an immediate dishonourable discharge or whatever happens to an involuntary recruit. Probably back to gaol.

My first response after you called Gnads foolish, was to say that you might find an exception to the rule about all import Africans not willing to join the ADF. I sardonically implied that you have a tendency to see these exceptions to the rule as a means to defend the criminal element of their demographic. I hope that makes things clearer. AT NO STAGE did I suggest that the ADF recruits are all a bunch of softcocks. That was what you have suggested, in a misrepresentation of what was written by your opponent.

Then, as a last ditch attempt to save face, you try the anecdotal fallacy argument to say that because you were in the military and I was not, my argument about not allowing criminal African refugees into the military is null and void. HOW FRICKIN' INSANE ARE YOU??? My opinion on the matter of not putting convicted felons into the army for the sake of rehabilitation has as much right to be heard as yours. The only argumental difference between us is that you think it is a good idea to have convicted felons in the army. Or say otherwise, given that your petulance to call Gnads a "fool" seems to suggest you disagree with what he said.