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Reply #690 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:31am
 
It’s hard to say. Outside of your echo chambers, most people remain indifferent. They aren’t obsessively for or against, they simply don’t see trans rights as the existential issue you claim it to be. 

Nobody here would be discussing 'trans rights' – whatever you think that means – if you lot hadn't brought it here.
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Reply #691 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:32am
 
There’s a counterbalance, of course: the woke crowd, who care enough to advocate loudly and visibly. The two groups largely cancel each other out in the broader cultural landscape. 

The woke crowd care as long as they get what they think they want -the don't really care and in most cases don't even know what they are talking about.  The counter balance is the opposite way - your lot started this madness, and now you are trying to paint those who say NO as the aggressors. 
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Reply #692 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:33am
 
What remains to be seen is how this battle unfolds. I can only hope the harm inflicted on real people is kept to a minimum. 

This 'battle' is unfolding as you remain stuck in the mud.  Yes – those poor drugged up and chopped up kids with all those future problems and a massive suicide rate.  It's not their choices though – it's the lack of acceptance, right?
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Reply #693 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:34am
 
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Reply #694 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:35am
 
What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.   

Gross paranoia again – what you see is well-meaning and thoughtful and caring people stemming a madness that has gripped a generation, and it has nothing to do with the GLB community - it is an issue that stand alone and is by no means a human rights issue.
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Reply #695 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:36am
 
But, Scoot, let’s be honest: you and yours lost the initial battle. The younger generations don’t share your worldview, and time is on their side. 

You're not keeping up with the times, are you?  A lie has been halfway around the world before truth got its boots on – but you have awakened the sleeping giant of real people.  They said the same about Pearl Harbour..... and by the time these kids all grow up, their fad will be a sad memory encompassed by court cases.
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Reply #696 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:41am
 
That said, if those in power manage to re-stigmatise trans identities and successfully manipulate young minds, you might just have a chance at winning the long game. But it’s a grim and cynical war to fight, one that sacrifices the dignity and safety of real people along the way. 

So all those in power during this epidemic were not stigmatising virtually everyone who disagreed with chemicals and cuts for kids? Look at the way you carry on now about them - all fantasy and paranoia.  Having your REAL issues correctly diagnosed and treated is not 'stigmatising' anyone. Your 'trans identities' self-stigmatise – nobody does it to or for them.  Their choice, and a very poor one, but rest easy - it will all be over long before you go.  The tide has changed and your paranoid fantasies that it's all about Trump and all these nasty 'conservatives' in power are, in reality, the last gasp posturings of a lost causer.
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Reply #697 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:42am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:32am:
There’s a counterbalance, of course: the woke crowd, who care enough to advocate loudly and visibly. The two groups largely cancel each other out in the broader cultural landscape. 

The woke crowd care as long as they get what they think they want -the don't really care and in most cases don't even know what they are talking about.  The counter balance is the opposite way - your lot started this madness, and now you are trying to paint those who say NO as the aggressors. 



Those who say no?

What are you saying no to?

The way other people identify on this planet?

Who are you to do so?
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Reply #698 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:42am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:26am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:21am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 8:52pm:
trans will be the issue woke dies on.

people will never stand for thier kids being messed with by woke loons


I think it’s fair to say you’ve already lost the battle over trans rights. Younger generations, who’ve grown up accepting their friends and peers for who they are, simply don’t care about the culture war rhetoric.

And here’s the thing, they’ll outlive you.

This is precisely why Trump and his allies are so intent on reshaping the education system: to re-stigmatise trans people, from adults to children. That’s the real goal, to plant the seeds of prejudice early and try to reverse progress by shaping young minds.

Will it win them the war?

It’s hard to say. Outside of your echo chambers, most people remain indifferent. They aren’t obsessively for or against, they simply don’t see trans rights as the existential issue you claim it to be.

There’s a counterbalance, of course: the woke crowd, who care enough to advocate loudly and visibly. The two groups largely cancel each other out in the broader cultural landscape.

What remains to be seen is how this battle unfolds. I can only hope the harm inflicted on real people is kept to a minimum.

What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.

But, Scoot, let’s be honest: you and yours lost the initial battle. The younger generations don’t share your worldview, and time is on their side.

That said, if those in power manage to re-stigmatise trans identities and successfully manipulate young minds, you might just have a chance at winning the long game. But it’s a grim and cynical war to fight, one that sacrifices the dignity and safety of real people along the way.


To quote dear mothra - so much to unpack... let's take it slowly -  I'll just copy that rant down and feed truth to you a bit at a time so you can digest it:-

"accepting their friends and peers for who they are"

Those kids are what they were born - nothing can alter that.  If they have issues of 'confusion' about sex and stuff as they approach and enter puberty - that is normal.  None of it means they are 'transgender' - and as you utter these inane words - the transgender movement is being shut down across the world, and is being replaced with full studies and reviews and clear direction back to psychiatric treatment for the real issues.  Where do you get the idea that genuine people wanting to help these kids PROPERLY through a complex time is somehow not 'accepting' - 'accepting' is not the same as simply standing by while someone self-destructs over a fad.

The fad is dead - there'll be no long live the fad.

"culture wars" - there speaks your in-depth indoctrination into the dark side.... get over it - stand back and re-consider reality.

Like ever so many, you confuse emotion with reason, and then try to say that anyone reasonable is somehow malicious and part of some deeeep conspiracy.... mend your ways, grasshopper.


You thought that mypoic rant "unpacked" anything at all?

Trans people aren't just going to disappear now that Trump has been voted in. Just so you know.

They're here to stay. You simply need to decide how long you're going to persecute them for.

In your case, the point is kinda moot.


Deeper still is the paranoid delusion and utter lack of connection with real events of this one...

How have I persecuted any tranny?  Please explain?  This'll be good....  they sure aren't going to disappear (your ridiculous posturing extreme thinking there - trying to see it all 'black and white' - good guys and bad guys - you're nuts you know..... nobody is pushing them to 'disappear' - just get the proper full treatments) - they are going to get the correct treatments for their real issues.  Those who attain majority can go their own way, but kids are not in a position to make those decisions.

You and kanga again missed the whole world turning... you neo-neoconservatives locked in your old mythology are all like that... you are on the wrong side of history.
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Reply #699 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:46am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:35am:
What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.   

Gross paranoia again – what you see is well-meaning and thoughtful and caring people stemming a madness that has gripped a generation, and it has nothing to do with the GLB community - it is an issue that stand alone and is by no means a human rights issue.


Wrong on all counts.

Trans people have always, always been with us.

I think it's great that the science and the data has caught up to the point in which we can determine that such states are perfectly natural and a part of the diverse human tapestry.

Seriously, what is it that would have to be wrong with you to think one can actually tell other people how they can self-identify simply because they don't like it?

The LGBTQ+ analogy stands. With pride.
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Reply #700 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:47am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:42am:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:26am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:21am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 16th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 8:52pm:
trans will be the issue woke dies on.

people will never stand for thier kids being messed with by woke loons


I think it’s fair to say you’ve already lost the battle over trans rights. Younger generations, who’ve grown up accepting their friends and peers for who they are, simply don’t care about the culture war rhetoric.

And here’s the thing, they’ll outlive you.

This is precisely why Trump and his allies are so intent on reshaping the education system: to re-stigmatise trans people, from adults to children. That’s the real goal, to plant the seeds of prejudice early and try to reverse progress by shaping young minds.

Will it win them the war?

It’s hard to say. Outside of your echo chambers, most people remain indifferent. They aren’t obsessively for or against, they simply don’t see trans rights as the existential issue you claim it to be.

There’s a counterbalance, of course: the woke crowd, who care enough to advocate loudly and visibly. The two groups largely cancel each other out in the broader cultural landscape.

What remains to be seen is how this battle unfolds. I can only hope the harm inflicted on real people is kept to a minimum.

What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.

But, Scoot, let’s be honest: you and yours lost the initial battle. The younger generations don’t share your worldview, and time is on their side.

That said, if those in power manage to re-stigmatise trans identities and successfully manipulate young minds, you might just have a chance at winning the long game. But it’s a grim and cynical war to fight, one that sacrifices the dignity and safety of real people along the way.


To quote dear mothra - so much to unpack... let's take it slowly -  I'll just copy that rant down and feed truth to you a bit at a time so you can digest it:-

"accepting their friends and peers for who they are"

Those kids are what they were born - nothing can alter that.  If they have issues of 'confusion' about sex and stuff as they approach and enter puberty - that is normal.  None of it means they are 'transgender' - and as you utter these inane words - the transgender movement is being shut down across the world, and is being replaced with full studies and reviews and clear direction back to psychiatric treatment for the real issues.  Where do you get the idea that genuine people wanting to help these kids PROPERLY through a complex time is somehow not 'accepting' - 'accepting' is not the same as simply standing by while someone self-destructs over a fad.

The fad is dead - there'll be no long live the fad.

"culture wars" - there speaks your in-depth indoctrination into the dark side.... get over it - stand back and re-consider reality.

Like ever so many, you confuse emotion with reason, and then try to say that anyone reasonable is somehow malicious and part of some deeeep conspiracy.... mend your ways, grasshopper.


You thought that mypoic rant "unpacked" anything at all?

Trans people aren't just going to disappear now that Trump has been voted in. Just so you know.

They're here to stay. You simply need to decide how long you're going to persecute them for.

In your case, the point is kinda moot.


Deeper still is the paranoid delusion and utter lack of connection with real events of this one...

How have I persecuted any tranny?  Please explain?  This'll be good....



Tranny is a slur. Persecution.,
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Reply #701 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:50am
 
So is the word 'aussie' then.
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Reply #702 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:02am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:46am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:35am:
What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.   

Gross paranoia again – what you see is well-meaning and thoughtful and caring people stemming a madness that has gripped a generation, and it has nothing to do with the GLB community - it is an issue that stand alone and is by no means a human rights issue.


Wrong on all counts.

Trans people have always, always been with us.

I think it's great that the science and the data has caught up to the point in which we can determine that such states are perfectly natural and a part of the diverse human tapestry.

Seriously, what is it that would have to be wrong with you to think one can actually tell other people how they can self-identify simply because they don't like it?

The LGBTQ+ analogy stands. With pride.


Didn't you hear, darling?  The TQ+ stand alone - the LGB want nothing to do with them.  Do keep up with world events.

Now let's get you back on track - nobody is arguing about alleged adults choosing to do things to themselves - as long as they don't do harm to others.  Got that?  As for the minors - jurisdiction after jurisdiction - starting with the once most permissive ones - are shutting down the 'instant gender affirmation on demand' industry, and are replacing it with full and proper evaluation and treatment for minors up to their turning adult legally.  Here you should be guided by the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists in their insistence on a 'fact based diagnosis' replacing ANY 'instant diagnosis' based on what any person thinks and claims to feel.  That alone puts an instant delay on this pursuit of some odd feeling thing, and puts the claimant in the position of being properly evaluated first.

Why do you have such a problem with that?  Are you in any way keeping up with what is happening in the world?
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Reply #703 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:08am
 
"I think it's great that the science and the data has caught up"

Not yet it hasn't - worldwide the full reviews NOW being installed to look at all aspects of 'the science' and all data, are just being set up..... and you hate it because you know a full assembly of all the data spells doom for your fantasies....

Please explain this 'science' you speak of......... what hard science supports transgenderism?
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Reply #704 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:14am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 8:08am:
"I think it's great that the science and the data has caught up"

Not yet it hasn't - worldwide the full reviews NOW being installed to look at all aspects of 'the science' and all data, are just being set up..... and you hate it because you know a full assembly of all the data spells doom for your fantasies....

Please explain this 'science' you speak of......... what hard science supports transgenderism?


Well, the Cass report for a start.

I know, you wildly misinterpreted that. Sorry.


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