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Reply #720 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
Alright Grap, there’s a lot to unpack here. As usual, you’ve said plenty without really saying much at all, but here we go.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:29am:
And here’s the thing, they’ll outlive you.

By the time they do, they will be on the right path again of reality.


That's your prediction.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:30am:
This is precisely why Trump and his allies are so intent on reshaping the education system: to re-stigmatise trans people, from adults to children. That’s the real goal, to plant the seeds of prejudice early and try to reverse progress by shaping young minds.   

Paranoid much, conspiracy all around you.  'progress' - you have got to be kidding.


It’s not paranoia, it’s literally part of Trump’s platform. He pledged to eliminate what he calls “transgender insanity” from educational settings by cutting federal funding for schools that teach such content.

He also vowed to reverse Biden’s Title IX protections, which allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms matching their gender identity, stating that rescinding these protections would be a day-one priority.

Further, Trump proposed severe penalties for educators who suggest to students that they might be “trapped in the wrong body,” making it clear his intent is to suppress discussions of gender identity in classrooms.

These policies are part of a larger campaign to strip what he describes as “wokeness” and “left-wing indoctrination” from American education, specifically targeting school policies on gender and race.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:31am:
It’s hard to say. Outside of your echo chambers, most people remain indifferent. They aren’t obsessively for or against, they simply don’t see trans rights as the existential issue you claim it to be. 

Nobody here would be discussing 'trans rights' – whatever you think that means – if you lot hadn't brought it here.


This thread was started by Light.  He's, laughably, one of yours.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:32am:
There’s a counterbalance, of course: the woke crowd, who care enough to advocate loudly and visibly. The two groups largely cancel each other out in the broader cultural landscape. 

The woke crowd care as long as they get what they think they want -the don't really care and in most cases don't even know what they are talking about.  The counter balance is the opposite way - your lot started this madness, and now you are trying to paint those who say NO as the aggressors. 


You’ve been so quick to play the victim and cry mischaracterisation that you’ve completely missed the point.

In my view, people like you, obsessively negative about this issue, are balanced out by those on the other extreme: the “woke” crowd who advocate just as loudly.

Both sides take it too far, and I condemn the extremists on both ends.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:33am:
What remains to be seen is how this battle unfolds. I can only hope the harm inflicted on real people is kept to a minimum. 

This 'battle' is unfolding as you remain stuck in the mud.  Yes – those poor drugged up and chopped up kids with all those future problems and a massive suicide rate.  It's not their choices though – it's the lack of acceptance, right?


You do realise that research consistently shows access to gender-affirming care reduces rates of self-harm and suicide among transgender individuals, right? And surely you’re aware that the prejudice and vitriol you peddle are among the primary drivers of those terrible outcomes.

It’s more than a little ironic to pretend you care about self-harm and suicide while actively contributing to the harm that causes them.

Given your previous genocidal tendencies, one might assume you’d be celebrating the tragic outcomes that your rhetoric and attitudes help fuel.
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Reply #721 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:35am:
What I do see is a strategy. Conservatives watched how advocates for gay and lesbian rights successfully paved the way for societal acceptance, and they’re trying to derail the same trajectory for trans people. They’ve learned where to place the roadblocks, and this time they’re determined to delay, if not stop, progress.   

Gross paranoia again – what you see is well-meaning and thoughtful and caring people stemming a madness that has gripped a generation, and it has nothing to do with the GLB community - it is an issue that stand alone and is by no means a human rights issue.


Attempt to dismiss it all you like, but you were wrong before and you're wrong again.  It's not paranoia, it's simple observation.  The conservative movement is employing all the tactics that helped them delay the inevitable around Gay and Lesbian rights, only this time they're far more organised and already have the playbook from the start.

They're employing the tactics of framing the bebate around children, targeting institutional policies (education), cultural framing and moral panic (drag queens), division among progressives (feminists and women spaces), strategic language ("fairness in sports," "protecting parental rights," and “child safeguarding,” etc).

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:36am:
But, Scoot, let’s be honest: you and yours lost the initial battle. The younger generations don’t share your worldview, and time is on their side. 

You're not keeping up with the times, are you?  A lie has been halfway around the world before truth got its boots on – but you have awakened the sleeping giant of real people.  They said the same about Pearl Harbour..... and by the time these kids all grow up, their fad will be a sad memory encompassed by court cases.


You’re comparing trans rights to Pearl Harbour? Really? Who’s the one engaging in gross paranoia now?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 7:41am:
That said, if those in power manage to re-stigmatise trans identities and successfully manipulate young minds, you might just have a chance at winning the long game. But it’s a grim and cynical war to fight, one that sacrifices the dignity and safety of real people along the way. 

So all those in power during this epidemic were not stigmatising virtually everyone who disagreed with chemicals and cuts for kids? Look at the way you carry on now about them - all fantasy and paranoia.  Having your REAL issues correctly diagnosed and treated is not 'stigmatising' anyone. Your 'trans identities' self-stigmatise – nobody does it to or for them.  Their choice, and a very poor one, but rest easy - it will all be over long before you go.  The tide has changed and your paranoid fantasies that it's all about Trump and all these nasty 'conservatives' in power are, in reality, the last gasp posturings of a lost causer.


Your problem is you believe you know better than the medical professionals who dedicate their lives to researching these issues and treating real people. It’s the same tired argument from decades ago: “Just don’t choose to be gay.”

Trump turned this topic into a culture war platform, completely ignoring the actual research and scientific understanding. Instead, we got emotional appeals and baseless decrees from people like you, who think their gut instincts trump evidence and expertise.

When national policy is shaped by ignorance rather than facts, you get outcomes like this, Trump’s entire platform in a nutshell.

Emotion over facts.

The irony is laughable, but it’s a shame so much is at stake.
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Reply #722 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:22am
 
With respect Kanga, you give him too much room to move.

All you will get in return is paragraphs of gibberish.
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Reply #723 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:39am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:22am:
With respect Kanga, you give him too much room to move.

All you will get in return is paragraphs of gibberish.


I know.

But the more that happens, the more others will see the truth Smiley

It just sucks because it was actually Scoot who I was hoping to chat with on the subject.  We often don't see eye to eye, but at least we can have a discussion about the topic and see the different viewpoints.

You just get crap from Grap.  All poorly laid traps to get some sort of verbal joust going that he's just not that great at, or racial, ethnic or identity slurs and the victimhood... my god...

It's a shame really.  I wish I'd known the truth about him much earlier.
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Reply #724 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:45am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:39am:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:22am:
With respect Kanga, you give him too much room to move.

All you will get in return is paragraphs of gibberish.


I know.

But the more that happens, the more others will see the truth Smiley

It just sucks because it was actually Scoot who I was hoping to chat with on the subject.  We often don't see eye to eye, but at least we can have a discussion about the topic and see the different viewpoints.

You just get crap from Grap.  All poorly laid traps to get some sort of verbal joust going that he's just not that great at, or racial, ethnic or identity slurs and the victimhood... my god...

It's a shame really.  I wish I'd known the truth about him much earlier.



Oooooh! I so warned you!
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Reply #725 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:52am
 
Oh dear - can't handle the official final version of the Cass Report... ahything to get ut from under the steamroller...

Oh, well, children - enjoy it while it lasts.... I'd say 2-3 years for a decent body of real science to be put together and analysed and exchanged worldwide...... in the meantime the curtain is closing down on abuse of children and minors with this transgender insanity... adults make their own choices - and live or die by them - mostly at their own hand, mind..... they don't need any input from anyone else...

The children and minors will be protected .... with or without you fanatics.... I do trust you're not on the list for any law suits...
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Reply #726 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:58am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:52am:
Oh dear - can't handle the official final version of the Cass Report... ahything to get ut from under the steamroller...

Oh, well, children - enjoy it while it lasts.... I'd say 2-3 years for a decent body of real science to be put together and analysed and exchanged worldwide...... in the meantime the curtain is closing down on abuse of children and minors with this transgender insanity... adults make their own choices - and live or die by them - mostly at their own hand, mind..... they don't need any input from anyone else...

The children and minors will be protected .... with or without you fanatics.... I do trust you're not on the list for any law suits...


I'm sorry, but do you know how stupid "official final version" of an academic paper is?

It's even more stupid than that last thing you said ... "final summation".

And the viewing of this pamphlet is the basis for you saying you've read all 900 pages of the Cass Report.

Suffice it to say, absolutely none of ideology on this subject is in line with any of the findings of the Cass Report, nor any summation of that report.

You're out of step, old dude.
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Reply #727 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:16pm
 
Love it or leave it - it's the end of your ideology.

Tell us - O All-Knowing One - what YOUR views on the 900 pages are?  Don't leave out a single figure now...

You lost it .. it's the official final summary of that report showing all the recommendations - and you fight every ditch don't you?  You haven't read it ....

Pamphlet:-  "Independent review of gender identity services for children and young people4
Independent review of gender
identity services for children
and young people: Final report"

do go on ... you're engine is revving but you're sliding in the mud...
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Reply #728 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 11:52am:
Oh dear - can't handle the official final version of the Cass Report... ahything to get ut from under the steamroller...


The Cass Review has been exploited by misrepresenting the findings to support anti-transgender agendas.

But, given we're dealing with Mr Bad Faith who is about to be caught out making misleading claims again, how about we set some ground rules?

If I were to engage with you over the Cass Review, what sort of evidence would you require to not simply dismiss what I have to say, like you do everything else you don't like?

Peer reviews by the University of York, or the World Professional Association for Transgender Health or the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health?

What about follow-up information direct from the author herself?

You've made up your mind about what the review concludes, so what would it take to change your mind?
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Reply #729 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:21pm
 
Really?  How can findings that lead to recommendations for further and in-depth reviews, collections and analysis be 'exploited by misrepresenting'? 

You're quoting from tranny blogs... again.
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Reply #730 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
Love it or leave it - it's the end of your ideology.
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THe Cass Review is?

Err, no. It's not.

Why did you lie about having read it?
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Reply #731 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
Clearly you are petrified that the results from the several years in the future REAL findings will destroy your ideology.
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Reply #732 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:34pm
 
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Reply #733 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:40pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Clearly you are petrified that the results from the several years in the future REAL findings will destroy your ideology.



Nope. I'm frightened of nothing. Especially not the Cass Review which pretty much confirms all of my "ideologies".

Why did you lie about having read it?
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Reply #734 - Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
Really?  How can findings that lead to recommendations for further and in-depth reviews, collections and analysis be 'exploited by misrepresenting'? 

You're quoting from tranny blogs... again.


So, there is no form of evidence that can change your mind then, is that what you're saying with your limp-wristed dismissal attempt?

No wonder you're too afraid to even quote the question in your reply.
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