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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #750 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 5:56pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:41pm:

Let the spoon feeding begin! Lay out for us your problems with THIS recommendation from the Cass Review:-

P.S. " what hard science supports transgenderism?

Well, the Cass report for a start." Indeed it does - under a fully developed body of Science (not 'the science') and under full review and proper regulation and control, which will bring down most of your basic tenets. So - you should have no difficulty here:-

Recommendation 1:
Given the complexity of this
population, these services must
operate to the same standards
as other services seeing children
and young people with complex
presentations and/or additional
risk factors. There should be a
nominated medical practitioner
(paediatrician/child psychiatrist) who
takes overall clinical responsibility
for patient safety within the service.

You mean the children and young people you refuse to accept?

Why on earth would i have a problem with any of that.

No idea what is being said to you.

You have got to be kidding - what on earth are you raving about? They are fully accepted - as the kids they ARE - not as their minds and mislead ideas lead them to think they want to imagine they are...

You have a serious problem with safeguarding children and minors from The Madness?

All this means is that you are blustering again and have zero idea what Cass actually says.

That's CASS recommendation 1 (at a time) - you'd know that if you READ the report - what are your issues with it?

Bluster and bullshit from you, as usual...

I'm Ambitiongender - I wanted to be an astronaut, captain of a ship in a fierce battle at 73 deg North, a fireman, a copper, a full doctor...... real life got in the way..... I've had Astronaut Dysphoria... oh, man - the torment...

It seems you don't even understand what you say.

You are in this thread or others every sinple day whining about trans people and being all together unaccepting.

You mock them, ridicule them, negate them and dehumanise them with every opportunity you get.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #751 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 5:58pm

I know exactly what I say - you are the confused and unabled one who can't follow....

What's not to understand about Astronaut Dysphoria?

Why didn't you just say - "I agree with Cass Review" and discuss the nuts and bolts instead of genderargumentative disputing every word all day? Are you nuts?

You don't even recognise the first RECOMMENDATION of the Cass Review... still choose instead to argue nonsense - and yet you try to criticise others who've read the official report published.... are you a bot or Polish or a Pisces or something?

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #754 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:33am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

I find it amazing that anyone would ask for me to say what 'evidence' would convince me.... bizarre - the idea, children - is to put up your evidence and see if it convinces.

What I’m asking isn’t for you to dredge up evidence on the spot, but to articulate the standard of proof and the calibre of sources you would actually accept. What threshold of rigour and credibility would cause you to re-evaluate your position? Are we talking peer-reviewed studies, primary documents, expert testimony, or something else entirely?

It’s clearly futile for me to say, “Well, a bloke at the pub reckons…” because that, quite obviously, falls short of being evidence. But you’ve made your stance abundantly clear, so I’m asking in earnest: what kind of information, presented in what form, would compel you to reconsider?

If you can’t, or won’t, answer that, it’s reasonable to conclude you’ve no genuine interest in adjusting your position, regardless of the evidence laid out before you. And at that point, this stops being a discussion and becomes an exercise in futility, your usual lack of good faith.

A refusal to allow reality to shape your views isn’t just stubborn, it’s a bad faith approach to dialogue.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #755 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:50am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:33am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

I find it amazing that anyone would ask for me to say what 'evidence' would convince me.... bizarre - the idea, children - is to put up your evidence and see if it convinces.

What I’m asking isn’t for you to dredge up evidence on the spot, but to articulate the standard of proof and the calibre of sources you would actually accept. What threshold of rigour and credibility would cause you to re-evaluate your position? Are we talking peer-reviewed studies, primary documents, expert testimony, or something else entirely?

It’s clearly futile for me to say, “Well, a bloke at the pub reckons…” because that, quite obviously, falls short of being evidence. But you’ve made your stance abundantly clear, so I’m asking in earnest: what kind of information, presented in what form, would compel you to reconsider?

If you can’t, or won’t, answer that, it’s reasonable to conclude you’ve no genuine interest in adjusting your position, regardless of the evidence laid out before you. And at that point, this stops being a discussion and becomes an exercise in futility, your usual lack of good faith.

A refusal to allow reality to shape your views isn’t just stubborn, it’s a bad faith approach to dialogue.

Again.

No evidence to provide again, eh?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35452 Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #758 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:53am You know this is all specific to the UK, yeah?
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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #759 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am

Cass recommendation being posted one by one for you to cut them down..... no triers yet... but read down.

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date because, in league with 'mothra' you have done nothing but attack other people's views - mostly without even reading links provided. YOU provide no links etc - and yet claim your 'cause' to be a winner - this at a time when the entire civilised world - from which we can remove Australia, the United States and Spain - is putting a moratorium on chemical violence against the bodies of kids and minors, alongside what is claimed to have been a long-standing moratorium on surgical violence to their growing bodies (functioning bodies as designed, capisce?) - AND setting in place the REVIEWS RECOMMENDED by Cass and countless other professionals within their own ranks and the ranks of others.

Your 'cause' is lost because your kind KNOW that full reviews will demolish this 'transgender' fantasy - and you and 'mothra' know it - yet you persist in attacking the messengers while providing not one iota of 'evidence' - let alone 'proof' - to support your outlandish claims that chopping up healthy young bodies with chemicals and knives is something good for them - and while ranting that any responsible person who says NO to that is some kind of vile creature.

Your kind are either abysmally stupid or just plain mad. 'mothra' argued all day against Cass - and finally said that it aligned her hir' ideology - what kind of bizarre madness is that? So now you are being tested on Cass - each recommendation, one by one, is being put up for your comment - now go chop it down. After all the empty rhetoric against its RECOMMENDATIONS - that should be easy for any transgender lunatic.

It's up to YOU to provide your evidence for scrutiny - and we all here know why you don't .... because every bit of it is a proven lead balloon. Cool

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #761 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:03am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Cass recommendation being posted one by one for you to cut them down..... no triers yet... but read down.

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date because, in league with 'mothra' you ahve done nothing but attack other people's views - mostly without even reading links provided. YOU provide no links etc - and yet claim your 'cause' to be a winner - this at a time when the entire civilised world - from which we can remove Australia, the United States and Spain - is putting a moratorium on chemical violence against the bodies of kids and minors, alongside what is claimed to have been a long-standing moratorium on surgical violence to their growing bodies (functioning bodies as designed, capisce?) - AND setting in place the REVIEWS RECOMMENDED by Cass and countless other professionals within their own ranks and the ranks of others.

your 'cause' is lost - and you and 'mothra' know it - yet you persist in attacking the messengers while providing not one iota of 'evidence' - let alone 'proof' - to support your outlandish claims that chopping up healthy young bodies with chemicals and knives is something good for them - and while ranting that any responsible person who says NO to that is some kind of vile creature.

Your kind are either abysmally stupid or just plain mad.

It's up to YOU to provide your evidence for scrutiny - and we all here know why you don't .... because every bit of it is a proven lead balloon. Cool

Apologies by that is just the hyperventilation of a child.

Nobody in Australia is chopping up healthy young bodies.

They're not even doing that in the UK, where the Cass report pertains to.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #762 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:08am

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Cass recommendation being posted one by one for you to cut them down..... no triers yet... but read down.

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date because, in league with 'mothra' you ahve done nothing but attack other people's views - mostly without even reading links provided. YOU provide no links etc - and yet claim your 'cause' to be a winner - this at a time when the entire civilised world - from which we can remove Australia, the United States and Spain - is putting a moratorium on chemical violence against the bodies of kids and minors, alongside what is claimed to have been a long-standing moratorium on surgical violence to their growing bodies (functioning bodies as designed, capisce?) - AND setting in place the REVIEWS RECOMMENDED by Cass and countless other professionals within their own ranks and the ranks of others.

your 'cause' is lost - and you and 'mothra' know it - yet you persist in attacking the messengers while providing not one iota of 'evidence' - let alone 'proof' - to support your outlandish claims that chopping up healthy young bodies with chemicals and knives is something good for them - and while ranting that any responsible person who says NO to that is some kind of vile creature.

Your kind are either abysmally stupid or just plain mad.

It's up to YOU to provide your evidence for scrutiny - and we all here know why you don't .... because every bit of it is a proven lead balloon. Cool

Apologies by that is just the hyperventilation of a child.

Nobody in Australia is chopping up healthy young bodies.

They're not even doing that in the UK, where the Cass report pertains to.

A classic mothra lack of valid response - just go for the messenger - clearly you didn't read it properly ... do you have difficulty dealing with the words 'claimed to have been'?? Let me use plain English - every time one of you assholes comes out and say 'surgeries are not done on kids' - another court case comes up of a child who was chopped at anywhere from 12-15.

Why is that, do you think?

Any reasoning then, on the reality of surgery on kids, shows that citing this CLAIMED lack of surgery as a CLAIM only is perfectly valid, based on the hard evidence. Ergo, such surgery has been done and may well be being done right now.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #763 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:12am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Cass recommendation being posted one by one for you to cut them down..... no triers yet... but read down.

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date because, in league with 'mothra' you ahve done nothing but attack other people's views - mostly without even reading links provided. YOU provide no links etc - and yet claim your 'cause' to be a winner - this at a time when the entire civilised world - from which we can remove Australia, the United States and Spain - is putting a moratorium on chemical violence against the bodies of kids and minors, alongside what is claimed to have been a long-standing moratorium on surgical violence to their growing bodies (functioning bodies as designed, capisce?) - AND setting in place the REVIEWS RECOMMENDED by Cass and countless other professionals within their own ranks and the ranks of others.

your 'cause' is lost - and you and 'mothra' know it - yet you persist in attacking the messengers while providing not one iota of 'evidence' - let alone 'proof' - to support your outlandish claims that chopping up healthy young bodies with chemicals and knives is something good for them - and while ranting that any responsible person who says NO to that is some kind of vile creature.

Your kind are either abysmally stupid or just plain mad.

It's up to YOU to provide your evidence for scrutiny - and we all here know why you don't .... because every bit of it is a proven lead balloon. Cool

Apologies by that is just the hyperventilation of a child.

Nobody in Australia is chopping up healthy young bodies.

They're not even doing that in the UK, where the Cass report pertains to.

A classic mothra lack of valid response - just go for the messenger - clearly you didn't read it properly ... do you have difficulty dealing with the words 'claimed to have been'?? Let me use plain English - every time one of you assholes comes out and say 'surgeries are not done on kids' - another court case comes up of a child who was chopped at anywhere from 12-15.

Why is that, do you think?

Any reasoning then, on the reality of surgery on kids, shows that citing this CLAIMED lack of surgery as a CLAIM only is perfectly valid, based on the hard evidence. Ergo, such surgery has been done and may well be being done right now.

No gender surgery is performed on people under 18 in this country.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #764 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 11:33am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date

I'm not asking you to provide evidence, I'm asking you, what calibre of evidence will you actually accept.

What would it take to change your mind?

We've been through this before, I've provided you with peer-reviewed information and you rejected it because you didn't like the conclusion. From memory, it was research into children's health in Indigenous communities and concerns over youth incarceration.

So let's not repeat the same mistakes of the past.

So this time, I'm asking you, for you to accept any evidence I provide you as true and not immediately dismiss it, what sort of source does it need to come from?

Not what evidence, but the type of source, the type or research or opinion etc.

I gave you some examples,

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

If I were to engage with you over the Cass Review, what sort of evidence would you require to not simply dismiss what I have to say, like you do everything else you don't like?

Peer reviews by the University of York, or the World Professional Association for Transgender Health or the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health?

What about follow-up information direct from the author herself?

You've made up your mind about what the review concludes, so what would it take to change your mind?

Stop pretending to be the dumbest fu

cking

person in the room.

To clear the air, I've not read the Cass Review in its entirety yet. I'm waiting to see if you're capable of a good-faith debate on the topic before I sink that time in.

Unlike you, I won't be cherry-picking from others' summations of the review.

So if you kindly answer the question, we can continue.

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