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Reply #765 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 3:37pm

Try some evidence. Why is it that you imagine there is some 'need' for me or anyone else to 'change mind' about their stance?

I see you try hard, but you are locked into your own ideas as being the only ones of value. Nothing could be more wrong as the world is beginning to show. Your 'peer-reviewed' stuff contains all the usual words meaning 'no definitive proof' of transgenderism.

Then all the other studies come in that you choose to overlook - and all say - quite reasonably and middle of the road - that there is simply nowhere near enough valid and verified evidence for the current approach - and full reviews need to go through before any interventions with chemicals and surgery for minors can be allowed....

By what right does any adult transgender or running dog try to over-ride the views of medical professionals and parents and others - as regards children and minors - and get inside kid's heads to tell them they are 'transgender' and not a host of other things common with teenagers?? That's called grooming .....

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Reply #766 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:12am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Cass recommendation being posted one by one for you to cut them down..... no triers yet... but read down.

Kanga - it is up to you to provide YOUR evidence - something that has been 100% lacking to date because, in league with 'mothra' you ahve done nothing but attack other people's views - mostly without even reading links provided. YOU provide no links etc - and yet claim your 'cause' to be a winner - this at a time when the entire civilised world - from which we can remove Australia, the United States and Spain - is putting a moratorium on chemical violence against the bodies of kids and minors, alongside what is claimed to have been a long-standing moratorium on surgical violence to their growing bodies (functioning bodies as designed, capisce?) - AND setting in place the REVIEWS RECOMMENDED by Cass and countless other professionals within their own ranks and the ranks of others.

your 'cause' is lost - and you and 'mothra' know it - yet you persist in attacking the messengers while providing not one iota of 'evidence' - let alone 'proof' - to support your outlandish claims that chopping up healthy young bodies with chemicals and knives is something good for them - and while ranting that any responsible person who says NO to that is some kind of vile creature.

Your kind are either abysmally stupid or just plain mad.

It's up to YOU to provide your evidence for scrutiny - and we all here know why you don't .... because every bit of it is a proven lead balloon. Cool

Apologies by that is just the hyperventilation of a child.

Nobody in Australia is chopping up healthy young bodies.

They're not even doing that in the UK, where the Cass report pertains to.

A classic mothra lack of valid response - just go for the messenger - clearly you didn't read it properly ... do you have difficulty dealing with the words 'claimed to have been'?? Let me use plain English - every time one of you assholes comes out and say 'surgeries are not done on kids' - another court case comes up of a child who was chopped at anywhere from 12-15.

Why is that, do you think?

Any reasoning then, on the reality of surgery on kids, shows that citing this CLAIMED lack of surgery as a CLAIM only is perfectly valid, based on the hard evidence. Ergo, such surgery has been done and may well be being done right now.

No gender surgery is performed on people under 18 in this country.

Good to see you know at least one of the guidelines. I take that, since you adopt that position, from now on you will ONLY be referring to issues in THIS country?

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Reply #767 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 3:55pm

Interesting:-

"Generally, gender affirming surgeries are not available to people under the age of 18."

Weasel words and wriggle room.

So there ARE surgeries on those under 18 in Australia?

"Can children have gender reassignment surgery in Australia?
In conclusion, the gender reassignment process can commence at any stage so long as there is consent on the Gillick competence of the adolescent, a diagnosis of gender dysmorphia and a proposed treatment for this."

Love the way they dance around that word SURGERY...... show you anything?

"The Family Court of Australia has made a declaration that transgender young people diagnosed with gender dysphoria no longer need to apply to the Court for Stage 3 treatment where:

the transgender teenager has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria;
the transgender teenager's treating practitioners agree that the child is Gillick competent; and
there is no controversy regarding the application (e.g. disagreement between the parents or doctors about the treatment).

Facts

Matthew is a 16 year old transgender teenager who was assigned female at birth, but identifies as male and has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Matthew's parents applied to the Court for orders that he was Gillick competent to consent to Stage 3 treatment for gender dysphoria. The Stage 3 treatment which was proposed in this case was a double mastectomy, also known as 'top surgery'.

Stage 3 treatment

Stage 3 treatment is treatment which is surgical in nature. Advancing on Stage 2 treatment, which does not involve surgical intervention, Stage 3 treatment includes, but is not limited to chest reconstructive surgery, phalloplasty, hysterectomy, bilateral salpingectomy or creation of the neovagina and vaginoplasty.

The Court's description of Stage 3 treatment in Re: Matthew was non-exhaustive, meaning that this decision has the potential to extend to a broad range of treatments."

VERY interesting...... WELL - now we know why there is an absolute necessity for FULL reviews of ALL 'the science' before any such treatments can be actually allowed and carried forward.

Now then - about those 'courts' ....

**slight correction of reality there for yez ..... 'Matthew' will remain female regardless of any and all attempts at change.

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #768 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 4:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 3:37pm:

Try some evidence. Why is it that you imagine there is some 'need' for me or anyone else to 'change mind' about their stance?

Allow me to illustrate with an example. Suppose you were as intellectually deficient as you seem, and you were an anti-vaxxer claiming that COVID vaccines transformed your blood cells into squares. Naturally, you'd have gleaned that absurdity from social media platforms peddling misinformation, which you, in this hypothetical (I hope), lacking the ability for critical thought, would gullibly accept without scrutiny.

Now, hypothetically, if credible scientific evidence existed, evidence that was rigorously peer-reviewed and published by respected experts in the relevant field, demonstrating that COVID vaccines indeed caused such a transformation, I would reconsider my stance. In that case, I would entertain the possibility that this belief might be more than the ravings of conspiracy theorists.

However, I am not going to take your word for it. You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of credibility.

Things aren't as clear cut in the world of psychology, but there may be certain experts or institutions that you are willing to at least entertain their findings.

What I have been asking you, before I waste time sifting through all 400 pages of material to discern its actual content, findings and recommendations, is simple: What standard of evidence are you willing to accept?

I agree that a mere "trust me, bro" will not suffice. So, what would it take to convince you? If your mind is genuinely open to revising your views, what burden of proof would be required?

After all, you think you're right and you're demanding people prove you wrong, with "evidence", so I don't believe it is unreasonable for you to answer the questions.

I listed some examples already,

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

If I were to engage with you over the Cass Review, what sort of evidence would you require to not simply dismiss what I have to say, like you do everything else you don't like?

Peer reviews by the University of York, or the World Professional Association for Transgender Health or the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health?

What about follow-up information direct from the author herself?

You've made up your mind about what the review concludes, so what would it take to change your mind?

You have dodged this question multiple times already, on this subject and others, but I am extending this invitation one last time before I accept your white flag.

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Reply #769 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 3:37pm:

Try some evidence. Why is it that you imagine there is some 'need' for me or anyone else to 'change mind' about their stance?

Allow me to illustrate with an example. Suppose you were as intellectually deficient as you seem, and you were an anti-vaxxer claiming that COVID vaccines transformed your blood cells into squares. Naturally, you'd have gleaned that absurdity from social media platforms peddling misinformation, which you, in this hypothetical (I hope), lacking the ability for critical thought, would gullibly accept without scrutiny.

Now, hypothetically, if credible scientific evidence existed, evidence that was rigorously peer-reviewed and published by respected experts in the relevant field, demonstrating that COVID vaccines indeed caused such a transformation, I would reconsider my stance. In that case, I would entertain the possibility that this belief might be more than the ravings of conspiracy theorists.

However, I am not going to take your word for it. You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of credibility.

Things aren't as clear cut in the world of psychology, but there may be certain experts or institutions that you are willing to at least entertain their findings.

What I have been asking you, before I waste time sifting through all 400 pages of material to discern its actual content, findings and recommendations, is simple: What standard of evidence are you willing to accept?

I agree that a mere "trust me, bro" will not suffice. So, what would it take to convince you? If your mind is genuinely open to revising your views, what burden of proof would be required?

After all, you think you're right and you're demanding people prove you wrong, with "evidence", so I don't believe it is unreasonable for you to answer the questions.

I listed some examples already,

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

If I were to engage with you over the Cass Review, what sort of evidence would you require to not simply dismiss what I have to say, like you do everything else you don't like?

Peer reviews by the University of York, or the World Professional Association for Transgender Health or the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health?

What about follow-up information direct from the author herself?

You've made up your mind about what the review concludes, so what would it take to change your mind?

You have dodged this question multiple times already, on this subject and others, but I am extending this invitation one last time before I accept your white flag.

After your sentence two - no reading. Example will not suit.. EVIDENCE...

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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #770 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 5:31pm

Now - intellectually deficient one - here's something for you to analyse and dissect... it gets good from the get-go ....

Do you ever intend to produce any evidence - or just rave on and play the man?

https://transcend.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Fact-Sheet_Trans-Gender-Dive...

Ooooh ..... ''Transcend Australia"! That should give a balanced view.... about as balanced as an all white jury in a black man rapes girl case back in the old days ...

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Reply #771 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 6:09pm

The Australian Bureau of Statistics has revealed for the first time that one in 20 Australians are lesbian, gay, bi, trans or gender diverse, or intersex (LGBTI+).

According to ABS head of health statistics, Robert Long, this is the “first nationally representative data of their kind in Australia”.

Young Australians were more likely to be LGBTI+, with 9.5% of people aged 16 to 24, and 7.5% in the 25-34 category identifying as LGBTI+. Overall, 4.5% of Australians aged 16 and over identified as LGBTI+.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #772 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 6:12pm mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:53am: You know this is all specific to the UK, yeah? ... and countless other countries are following suit, apart from The Dark side of US, Australia and Spain (but they're Dago's anyway) ... no comments so:-
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #773 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 6:16pm
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46113 Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #774 - Dec 19^th, 2024 at 6:17pm mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 9:53am: You know this is all specific to the UK, yeah? You did NOT say anything like that when the group think was on in favour of what the Tavistock Institute was 'pioneering", were you, spineless weatherwain of "korrekt thinking" at all times?
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17269 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #775 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:09am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2024 at 5:26pm: After your sentence two - no reading. Example will not suit.. EVIDENCE... White flag accepted. Surprise, Crappler is again demonstrating he is incapable of a good faith exchange. I tried.
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Re: The Tranny Agenda
Reply #776 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:36am

Quote:

Things aren't as clear cut in the world of psychology, but there may be certain experts or institutions that you are willing to at least entertain their findings.

What I have been asking you, before I waste time sifting through all 400 pages of material to discern its actual content, findings and recommendations, is simple: What standard of evidence are you willing to accept?

Being a male or female are not psychological categories.

So no psychological evidence -how I feel, perceive, desire etc - is relevant to deciding if you are male or female.

Social roles and customs around males and females vary across time and place - what is accepted as manly or feminine etc - but they do not MAKE you male or female. Acting like a man or woman doesn't make you male or female.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104609 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #777 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:46am Frank - would take a chance on one of these?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #778 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:24pm Now then, poppets - exactly where - in your imaginations - has anyone 'misinterpreted' the Cass Review Report? Walk right in...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Tranny Agenda Reply #779 - Dec 20^th, 2024 at 9:26pm No comments - so:-
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