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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #16 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author. Roll Eyes

Prove it, Belgarion. Show us how Pascoe wrote lies in his work. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I don't have to prove it at all. It's already been done:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/anthropologist-and-archaeologist-say-dar...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/academics-behind-dark-em...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon...

All appear to be price-protected, Belgarion and one appears to be from Bolt. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not paywalled and not by Bolt, although he is mentioned due to his run ins with Pascoe.

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #17 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:30pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:30pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author. Roll Eyes

Prove it, Belgarion. Show us how Pascoe wrote lies in his work. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I don't have to prove it at all. It's already been done:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/anthropologist-and-archaeologist-say-dar...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/academics-behind-dark-em...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon...

All appear to be price-protected, Belgarion and one appears to be from Bolt. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not paywalled and not by Bolt, although he is mentioned due to his run ins with Pascoe.

They are to me. Bolt is mentioned as the source of the criticisms it seems. Bolt is a known liar particularly on Indigenous matters. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #18 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:35pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

I've read THE GREATEST REAL ESTATE ON EARTH by Gammage.
It was a great read and makes one feel prouder about this country's worth and all things from the perspective of 'the Land', rather than the Political or Media views of this country.

Dark Emu reminded me much of that Book by Gammage.
It gave me great amazement about another level of this country, that Whities have NOT produced really. Wether it is 51% factual or 97% factual - it showed a new stimulus angle and perception. Sure, it may be 'stylised with some added exaggeration' put on it - but definitely no different to many other Whitey books out there pumping it out in the same way.

Also, there isn't really any substantial works on such a Topic to counter or disprove or prove otherwise. So until there is, I'm happy to go along with Pascoe's interpretation.
Some people took the advice of this land through the eyes of racists, bigots and uneducated.
Gammage took it from the educated, the Surveyors and the more authentic.

So I'll just keep running with the 50/50 until some Whitey really does pump out the truth of the matter, or an Aborigine adds more to it.

Dark Emu? Might be exaggerated, might be propaganda, might have some facts. But it was a great read and says something better of this Land.
The main fact is, at least 'something' is out there - where Whitey has given nothing.

I am surprised, a rational post from you JaSin. Well done. Obviously the medication is kicking in. Keep it up. Anyway, a well reasoned post and someone else who has actually read the book. Pascoe might be Indigenous, he might not be, is it important? No, not at all, except to Racists. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #19 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I read it, laborious as it was, but then I realised it was good for laughs, so it wasn’t entirely wasted money..

Pascoe is a fraud, if he wasn’t then lawyers would be reaping a fortune representing him against his detractors.

Pascoe is a fraud and to expose him is not racist, it is the hope of all that criminals be brought to justice.
Are the Aboriginal people who say he is a fraud racist?

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Reply #20 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 5:11pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I read it, laborious as it was, but then I realised it was good for laughs, so it wasn’t entirely wasted money..

Pascoe is a fraud, if he wasn’t then lawyers would be reaping a fortune representing him against his detractors.

Pascoe is a fraud and to expose him is not racist, it is the hope of all that criminals be brought to justice.
Are the Aboriginal people who say he is a fraud racist?

I never thought of you as a Racist, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83648 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . . Reply #21 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 5:57pm Should've written it as faction - no problem then... facts embellished to make a nice story...
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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #23 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Who Cares ?

https://www.theblockshop.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/623555f4a2c65e07fee6...

I care because I have many Aboriginal friends and relatives and they are all offended that this fraud is ripping off the taxpayers, including them.
None of them are on the First Nations Bandwagon, they all pay tax.
All Pascoe need do is make public his ancestry and prove it, and all his detractors will have to pull their heads in.

Note. If you drink blue tea anything might happen😀😀

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #24 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:36pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

I've read THE GREATEST REAL ESTATE ON EARTH by Gammage.
It was a great read and makes one feel prouder about this country's worth and all things from the perspective of 'the Land', rather than the Political or Media views of this country.

Dark Emu reminded me much of that Book by Gammage.
It gave me great amazement about another level of this country, that Whities have NOT produced really. Wether it is 51% factual or 97% factual - it showed a new stimulus angle and perception. Sure, it may be 'stylised with some added exaggeration' put on it - but definitely no different to many other Whitey books out there pumping it out in the same way.

Also, there isn't really any substantial works on such a Topic to counter or disprove or prove otherwise. So until there is, I'm happy to go along with Pascoe's interpretation.
Some people took the advice of this land through the eyes of racists, bigots and uneducated.
Gammage took it from the educated, the Surveyors and the more authentic.

So I'll just keep running with the 50/50 until some Whitey really does pump out the truth of the matter, or an Aborigine adds more to it.

Dark Emu? Might be exaggerated, might be propaganda, might have some facts. But it was a great read and says something better of this Land.
The main fact is, at least 'something' is out there - where Whitey has given nothing.

Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #25 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:36pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Who Cares ?

https://www.theblockshop.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/623555f4a2c65e07fee6...

I care because I have many Aboriginal friends and relatives and they are all offended that this fraud is ripping off the taxpayers, including them.
None of them are on the First Nations Bandwagon, they all pay tax.
All Pascoe need do is make public his ancestry and prove it, and all his detractors will have to pull their heads in.

Note. If you drink blue tea anything might happen😀😀

Aye - caught betwixt the devil and the deep blue tea.... which is the lesser of two weavils?

Pascoe's historical fiction novel... Australia's Pillars Of The Earth (not to be confused with The Roots Of Heaven - a story of fighting elephant poachers... the elephants being the roots of heaven, the theory being that if they all are killed, there will be nothing to hold the heaven above the earth and all will die)...

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #26 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 7:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 5:11pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I read it, laborious as it was, but then I realised it was good for laughs, so it wasn’t entirely wasted money..

Pascoe is a fraud, if he wasn’t then lawyers would be reaping a fortune representing him against his detractors.

Pascoe is a fraud and to expose him is not racist, it is the hope of all that criminals be brought to justice.
Are the Aboriginal people who say he is a fraud racist?

I never thought of you as a Racist, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I never thought of you as a thinking being, bbwian. Tsk, tsk.

A mindless front bottom, if I ever think of you.

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Reply #27 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 7:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 4:35pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

I've read THE GREATEST REAL ESTATE ON EARTH by Gammage.
It was a great read and makes one feel prouder about this country's worth and all things from the perspective of 'the Land', rather than the Political or Media views of this country.

Dark Emu reminded me much of that Book by Gammage.
It gave me great amazement about another level of this country, that Whities have NOT produced really. Wether it is 51% factual or 97% factual - it showed a new stimulus angle and perception. Sure, it may be 'stylised with some added exaggeration' put on it - but definitely no different to many other Whitey books out there pumping it out in the same way.

Also, there isn't really any substantial works on such a Topic to counter or disprove or prove otherwise. So until there is, I'm happy to go along with Pascoe's interpretation.
Some people took the advice of this land through the eyes of racists, bigots and uneducated.
Gammage took it from the educated, the Surveyors and the more authentic.

So I'll just keep running with the 50/50 until some Whitey really does pump out the truth of the matter, or an Aborigine adds more to it.

Dark Emu? Might be exaggerated, might be propaganda, might have some facts. But it was a great read and says something better of this Land.
The main fact is, at least 'something' is out there - where Whitey has given nothing.

I am surprised, a rational post from you JaSin. Well done. Obviously the medication is kicking in. Keep it up. Anyway, a well reasoned post and someone else who has actually read the book. Pascoe might be Indigenous, he might not be, is it important? No, not at all, except to Racists. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well I don't need 'medications' for clarity and reason.
You thought of such to be needed for such - tells me you do take Medications. Best of luck with that.

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #28 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 7:59pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

I've read THE GREATEST REAL ESTATE ON EARTH by Gammage.
It was a great read and makes one feel prouder about this country's worth and all things from the perspective of 'the Land', rather than the Political or Media views of this country.

Dark Emu reminded me much of that Book by Gammage.
It gave me great amazement about another level of this country, that Whities have NOT produced really. Wether it is 51% factual or 97% factual - it showed a new stimulus angle and perception. Sure, it may be 'stylised with some added exaggeration' put on it - but definitely no different to many other Whitey books out there pumping it out in the same way.

Also, there isn't really any substantial works on such a Topic to counter or disprove or prove otherwise. So until there is, I'm happy to go along with Pascoe's interpretation.
Some people took the advice of this land through the eyes of racists, bigots and uneducated.
Gammage took it from the educated, the Surveyors and the more authentic.

So I'll just keep running with the 50/50 until some Whitey really does pump out the truth of the matter, or an Aborigine adds more to it.

Dark Emu? Might be exaggerated, might be propaganda, might have some facts. But it was a great read and says something better of this Land.
The main fact is, at least 'something' is out there - where Whitey has given nothing.

Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.

https://www.booktopia.com.au/covers/900/9780522877854/0226/farmers-or-hunter-gat...

Well I stand corrected by Setanta. Apologies for that.
(Take note Bobby and B_light).
That looks like a must read then - always good to be objective and a coin is worth more, if it has two sides to it.
Cheers Set.

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Reply #29 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 9:05pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Who Cares ?

https://www.theblockshop.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/623555f4a2c65e07fee6...

I care because I have many Aboriginal friends and relatives and they are all offended that this fraud is ripping off the taxpayers, including them.
None of them are on the First Nations Bandwagon, they all pay tax.
All Pascoe need do is make public his ancestry and prove it, and all his detractors will have to pull their heads in.

Note. If you drink blue tea anything might happen😀😀

Aboriginal people I know either don't know who he is or don't care.

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