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Reply #30 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 9:43pm
 
Of course, the perception of Aborigines through the looking glass of either Political Australians or Media (fake political) Australians - are not the only perceptions of Aborigines and their Aboriginal cultural evolutions.

Everyone thinks there is only 'one' right answer.
That's when it all breaks down in the end and ends up 'wrong' overall.
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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #31 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 11:13pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 7:57pm:
Well I don't need 'medications' for clarity and reason.
You thought of such to be needed for such - tells me you do take Medications. Best of luck with that.


OH!!!!  So what DO you need medications for? I do heart tablets man.... a real trip.
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Reply #32 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 11:48pm
 
Gee. I may pop a Vitamin occasionally. Maybe a panadol for back pain if needed.
Prefer the natural stuff like Raw eggs for the brain, cooked eggs for the body. Stuff like that.
I only eat McDonalds for sea-sickness. Sits heavy in the stomach and settles it down.
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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #33 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 5:16am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes

Prove it, Belgarion.  Show us how Pascoe wrote lies in his work. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Aboriginal human rights advocate Hannah McGlade, a Noongar woman
and member of the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues,
writes that Dark Emu is "misleading and offensive to Aboriginal people
and culture" and that it "is not very truthful or accurate". 

Warrimay historian Victoria Grieve-Williams calls Dark Emu a scandal
and a hoax
and expresses deep concerns in the Aboriginal community
about the story Pascoe is telling, saying that her family were not farmers,
but proud of being hunter–gatherers.


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Reply #34 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:29am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.

https://www.booktopia.com.au/covers/900/9780522877854/0226/farmers-or-hunter-gat...



Pascoe has suceeded to be totally wrong from ANY critical perspective. His talking up of quasi-agricultural development is is  full of nonsense:
" the book was “riddled with errors of fact, selective quotations, selective use of evidence, and exaggeration of weak evidence”, including the suggestion Aboriginal people have occupied Australia for 120,000 years. "


He is also wrong from the Aboriginal perspective, totally missing the significance of the ancient Aboriginal way of seeing and being in the world:
if Aboriginal people were farmers as Pascoe contends, Sutton asks, where is the evidence for it in Aboriginal languages, as there is evidence in Torres Strait languages? “If, as he says, they traditionally hoed and tilled and ploughed the earth, made gardens, selected and sowed seed or planted tubers, irrigated their crops, reaped the results and stored them, and thus were farmers on farms doing farming, should he not have tried to demonstrate that these categories and terms were present in at least some of the approximately 260 distinct languages of Australia in 1788?”

Aboriginal people knew about farmers, Sutton and Walshe write, from their trading interactions with Torres Strait gardeners and Macassans and Baijini from the Indies, but chose not to emulate them, for reasons that were cultural as well as practical. Economics without religion was “inconceivable” to the Old People, they write. “Gathering and hunting and fishing were not just economics: they were the Law.”
https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon-get-it-wrong-20210507-p57pyl.html
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Reply #35 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:42am
 
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes


Guy wrote a book and a lot of people now disagree with his conclusions. Fair enough but it just isn't the end of the world.
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Reply #36 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:59am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes


Guy wrote a book and a lot of people now disagree with his conclusions. Fair enough but it just isn't the end of the world.

Of course not, but this fake is taking paid positions based, in part, on his being Aboriginal, so he is doing a genuine Indigenous Australian out of a job and the remuneration that goes with it.
He has received Government and other grants that were intended for Aboriginals, grants given, in part, as recognition of his claimed heritage.
Acceptance of those grants is fraud, criminal fraud.
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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #37 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 9:01am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes


Guy wrote a book and a lot of people now disagree with his conclusions. Fair enough but it just isn't the end of the world.

Of course not, but this fake is taking paid positions based, in part, on his being Aboriginal, so he is doing a genuine Indigenous Australian out of a job and the remuneration that goes with it.
He has received Government and other grants that were intended for Aboriginals, grants given, in part, as recognition of his claimed heritage.
Acceptance of those grants is fraud, criminal fraud.



And the book shouldn't be in the school curriculum.

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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #38 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 9:24am
 
I suppose it would be hard for Whities and their colonisation if they entered a part of the world where the 'natives' were superior to them, let alone smart enough not to be like them ( in chains and shackles).
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Reply #39 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 9:42am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


It's fanciful bunkum

the same stuff you're full of.
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Reply #40 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 9:45am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 2:06pm:
Aquarius wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I have the book here - I've actually had it since the early pandemic when I took it out of one of my local street libraries that started up.  I think it was one of the preschool ones - which is a bit worrying if they're teaching this stuff to toddlers! 

Anyway, it's still in the same pristine condition as when I got it as I find I can only take it in small doses.  And maybe that was also the case of the previous owner. 

I also took out another book a few days ago.  This one is Journey into Dreamtime by (Aunty) Munya Andrews.  In the blurb about the author it says she was born to an aboriginal mother and Scottish father and is proud of her aboriginal and Celtic heritage.  This one might be a bit easier to digest.


Ah, excellent, someone who has read the book, which far more than anyone else here.  What annoys me is that critics like Gnads and so on, never read what they are criticising, they just mouth off their tired old Racist mantras.  Now you claim you can only take it in, "small doses", why is that?  Is the writing bad or are the facts hard to digest?  For me, it is just another part of our rich tapestry of history.  We have competing claims, those of the Colonists and those of the Indigenous people.  Personally they need to be examined and if necessary dismisses.  The weight of evidence appears to be on Pascoe's side of the argument at the moment.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



How do you know what I've read?

There is no weight of evidence on Pascoes side..

more fanciful bunkum.
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Reply #41 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 9:54am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 2:22pm:
PS: wish to thank the Black Duck team for my nice Yam plant.


What sort of Yam?
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Re: Pascoe’s “Black Duck”, another flight of fancy . .
Reply #42 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 10:26am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes


Guy wrote a book and a lot of people now disagree with his conclusions. Fair enough but it just isn't the end of the world.

Of course not, but this fake is taking paid positions based, in part, on his being Aboriginal, so he is doing a genuine Indigenous Australian out of a job and the remuneration that goes with it.
He has received Government and other grants that were intended for Aboriginals, grants given, in part, as recognition of his claimed heritage.
Acceptance of those grants is fraud, criminal fraud.


... not to mention that his book in all its 'errors' and falsehoods is now used in schools as a definitive text on history rather than a fantasy novel - meaning as a tool to manipulate young and impressionable minds into accepting totally false conclusions ...

More like Shot Duck or Ruptured Duck than Black Duck - at least to this little black duck... the Black Duck is an honourable creature who is only what he is....... and makes no claims to be anything more.... even though descended and living here for many thousands of years more than any Aboriginal.
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Reply #43 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 10:29am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 2:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 12:21pm:
How many here have bothered to read Dark Emu?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dark Emu has been proven to be a fraud, along with its author.  Roll Eyes


Prove it, Belgarion.  Show us how Pascoe wrote lies in his work. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I don't have to prove it at all. It's already been done:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/anthropologist-and-archaeologist-say-dar...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/academics-behind-dark-em...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon...


All appear to be price-protected, Belgarion and one appears to be from Bolt.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Not paywalled and not by Bolt, although he is mentioned due to his run ins with Pascoe.


They are to me.  Bolt is mentioned as the source of the criticisms it seems.  Bolt is a known liar particularly on Indigenous matters.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Bolt didn't lie, what he said is true .... he was accused of racism for what he said by a gang who were obviously what Bolt stated.. He was claimed to have breached 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

Funny the case was heard by only one Judge, Justice Bromberg who was an active factional Labor Party member who ran & failed in pre-selection for Melbourne.

Even Labor Senator Kimberly Kitching(RIP)_ - whose arse, in death is feigningly being kissed by Albanese - was surprised that Bromberg heard the case because of obvious conflict of interest because of his bias.

Quote:
27. On the basis of my findings, I am satisfied that each of Mr Bolt and the Herald & Weekly Times engaged in conduct which contravened section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.

28. I have made no findings of contravention in relation to the two blog articles. Those articles were relied upon for additional claims which were raised by Ms Eatock very late in the trial of the proceeding. It would have been procedurally unfair to Mr Bolt and the Herald &Weekly Times to have permitted Ms Eatock to pursue those additional claims.

29. As to the relief which should be granted by the Court, I intend to direct the parties to confer with a view to agreeing on orders to give affect to the Court’s reasons for judgment. I have indicated that the Court will make a declaration that Mr Bolt and the Herald &Weekly Times have contravened section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. I have also indicated that I will make orders prohibiting the republication of the newspaper articles. In the absence of the publication of an apology, I will consider making an order for the publication in the Herald Sun of a corrective notice.

30. Finally, in dealing with the formulation of the orders to be made by the Court, I have observed that it is important that nothing in the orders I make should suggest that it is unlawful for a publication to deal with racial identification, including by challenging the genuineness of the identification of a group of people. I have not found Mr Bolt and the Herald & Weekly Times to have contravened section 18C, simply because the newspaper articles dealt with subject matter of that kind. I have found a contravention of the Racial Discrimination Act because of the manner in which that subject matter was dealt with.


Wasn't such a big win after all ... it was more a loss for taxpayers.

Pascoe & his Dark Emu are both liars & lies.

Pascoe is the living liar & Dark Emu is his fictional book of lies.

If anything he is guilty of it's racial & cultural appropriation for his own gain.
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Reply #44 - Feb 9th, 2024 at 10:35am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:35pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 2:21pm:
I've read THE GREATEST REAL ESTATE ON EARTH by Gammage.
It was a great read and makes one feel prouder about this country's worth and all things from the perspective of 'the Land', rather than the Political or Media views of this country.

Dark Emu reminded me much of that Book by Gammage.
It gave me great amazement about another level of this country, that Whities have NOT produced really. Wether it is 51% factual or 97% factual - it showed a new stimulus angle and perception. Sure, it may be 'stylised with some added exaggeration' put on it - but definitely no different to many other Whitey books out there pumping it out in the same way.

Also, there isn't really any substantial works on such a Topic to counter or disprove or prove otherwise. So until there is, I'm happy to go along with Pascoe's interpretation.
Some people took the advice of this land through the eyes of racists, bigots and uneducated.
Gammage took it from the educated, the Surveyors and the more authentic.

So I'll just keep running with the 50/50 until some Whitey really does pump out the truth of the matter, or an Aborigine adds more to it.

Dark Emu? Might be exaggerated, might be propaganda, might have some facts. But it was a great read and says something better of this Land.
The main fact is, at least 'something' is out there - where Whitey has given nothing.


I am surprised, a rational post from you JaSin.  Well done.  Obviously the medication is kicking in.  Keep it up.  Anyway, a well reasoned post and someone else who has actually read the book.  Pascoe might be Indigenous, he might not be, is it important?  No, not at all, except to Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



What a ridiculous opinion. He is a race & cultural appropriator. That is as wrong & inappropriate as plagiarised Aboriginal art & artefacts being sold by non Aboriginals.

We, all born to this country, are indigenous.

There are no Aboriginals ... just descendants of Aboriginals.
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