Answers to media questionsNovember 28, 2024 - 17:15 - Astana
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And, if I may, a philosophical tangent. What transpired overall, how did it occur that there was a period when the German Chancellor visited you, and you frequently conversed in German there? And now, we discuss the prospect of deploying the same Oreshniks in that direction.
Thank you very much.
Vladimir Putin:..........
And if we turn to serious matters, concerning the development of our relations with Europe and the Western countries in general, you know, looking at it in retrospect, I think that, in fact, we have gone to great lengths. I was not involved in it, but the generation of previous leaders went as far as the dissolution of the Soviet Union, including, as it seems to me, in order to make Russia part of this so-called civilised West, believing that now, when the walls of ideological confrontation crumbled down, we will be part of the civilised world.
Nothing of the kind has happened. It turned out that in addition to all this, in addition to everything related to ideology, there are issues of a geopolitical nature, geopolitical interests, and they showed us immediately where our place was – somewhere there, in a corner, in a nook. But it wasn’t the end of it. They began supporting separatist forces, terrorist forces in the Caucasus, they began rocking Russia from within with what their might. We coped with it, we went through this all. We offered whatever we could to try and build relations [with Western countries]. I have already talked about it many times, now I don’t want to waste time on it and go over it again. That’s it. If no – then no. NATO’s expansion to the east: five waves, or six already. All our objections, all our concerns were simply ignored. They went stubbornly their own way. That’s the way it is. This is how our relations developed, including with Europe.
Yes, I know, some European leaders say to me: “We were against it.” I have already mentioned it, and I will repeat it again because this is important. “We were against Ukraine joining NATO. Well, you know we are against it, and we will vote against it”. To my question: “So why did you open the door to NATO for Ukraine in Bucharest in 2008?” The answer was simple: “Well, the Americans pressed us hard then.” Here is a nice how-d’ye-do! And what if they press harder tomorrow again? Will you agree on everything and finally sign the paper to the effect that Ukraine is a member of NATO?
That said, the US position did not change by that time. The United States told us: “Well, yes, we won’t admit Ukraine now.” Do you know why they did not want to admit it then? Because Ukraine was not ready, it had to go through certain stages of preparation for membership. “We won’t do it now.” And when it is prepared – they will admit it. And they will press hard on the Europeans again. And the Europeans will consent to it again. Look at what’s happening now – well, it’s happening in full view of the whole world.
I believe Europe has been debased big time. It ceased to exist as an independent centre, an independent political and sovereign centre of international politics. It will not think twice before dancing the polka to the tune played by the US administration, even if it hurts its own interests. Occasionally, I get the impression that high-ranking officials, in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, are on a mission from the US secret service. The problem is they do not have the best interests of their own, in this case, German, people, in mind. How can one even agree with everything that is going on there?
Energy prices in some US states are three to five times lower than in Europe, in Germany, in particular. Entire enterprises and industries are closing down in Germany and moving to the United States. The Americans are doing so purposefully. They are pragmatic people, and may be doing the right thing for themselves. But what about the Europeans? One cannot get away from picturing them asking just one question when they are told they would be hung by the neck tomorrow. Their only question would be, “Shall we bring our own rope, or you will provide us with one?” Do you see what I mean? That is all there is to it.
Volkswagen is closing, metallurgical plants are closing, chemical plants are closing, as are glass plants. People are being sacked by the hundreds or even thousands. And nothing happens. All we hear is dead silence except some unintelligible ruckus in the ongoing internal political process. How can one even talk to such partners? What is there to negotiate?
It is not our fault that our relations with Europe have declined to such a low level. This is also the result of the internal state of the European establishment and European politics.
Still I hope this will go away at some point, and we will restore our relations with individual European countries and, more broadly, with the EU. Russia and our European partners have a stake in this. Perhaps, they are interested in that even more than we are. I think this natural interest in expanding relations with Russia in the interest, pardon me the tautology, of their own countries and peoples will prevail. I hope so. We will see how things turn out eventually in real life.
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