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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #15 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

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“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #16 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #17 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:53am

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

the whole question sidesteps the immigration debate. would all these new stations even be a huge priority with a stable or even gradually declining population? i bet not. immigration is the ultimate nexus issue; all other issues simply revolve around and emerge from it, but no one wants to talk about it (at least in serious detail) or make the obvious connections.

Up to a point.

The climate doomsday mania has gripped the whole world, including countries with zero immigration.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #18 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

Do you not know how to read a graph?

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #19 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:24pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

Do you not know how to read a graph?

There is no graph at that post, only a still from Oppenheimer.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #20 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:38pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

the whole question sidesteps the immigration debate. would all these new stations even be a huge priority with a stable or even gradually declining population? i bet not. immigration is the ultimate nexus issue; all other issues simply revolve around and emerge from it, but no one wants to talk about it (at least in serious detail) or make the obvious connections.

Up to a point.

The climate doomsday mania has gripped the whole world, including countries with zero immigration.

i mean if climate change isnt real, why have a nuclear debate at all. just make a bunch of coal stations, would be way cheaper and easier. yes there are negative externalties to coal even if there were no anthropogenic forcings but they're not serious enough to justify wasting time with nuclear instead. carbon based energy is absolutely the best in class if not for the fact that it may heat the planet, if it doesn't why bother with anything else.

immigration is huge cuz its whats driving the need for more capacity mostly at least in states are are 'industrialised'. sure there'd be a need to replace aging generators and we'd be arguing about what they should be replaced with etc etc etc but without a squazillion warm bodies being trucked in from overseas this would be a much more relaxed non-urgent conversation. ukraine is a great case in point, even with the russian strategic rocket force potshotting its transformers every other day it still keeps the lights on pretty good bc its capacity is vastly beyond the needs of its current population, which has declined since 1991.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #21 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:10pm

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:43am:

the whole question sidesteps the immigration debate. would all these new stations even be a huge priority with a stable or even gradually declining population? i bet not. immigration is the ultimate nexus issue; all other issues simply revolve around and emerge from it, but no one wants to talk about it (at least in serious detail) or make the obvious connections.

Up to a point.

The climate doomsday mania has gripped the whole world, including countries with zero immigration.

i mean if climate change isnt real, why have a nuclear debate at all. just make a bunch of coal stations, would be way cheaper and easier. yes there are negative externalties to coal even if there were no anthropogenic forcings but they're not serious enough to justify wasting time with nuclear instead. carbon based energy is absolutely the best in class if not for the fact that it may heat the planet, if it doesn't why bother with anything else.

immigration is huge cuz its whats driving the need for more capacity mostly at least in states are are 'industrialised'. sure there'd be a need to replace aging generators and we'd be arguing about what they should be replaced with etc etc etc but without a squazillion warm bodies being trucked in from overseas this would be a much more relaxed non-urgent conversation. ukraine is a great case in point, even with the russian strategic rocket force potshotting its transformers every other day it still keeps the lights on pretty good bc its capacity is vastly beyond the needs of its current population, which has declined since 1991.

Agree.

There is a less urgent case for transition from finite energy sources to longer lasting ones.
There is a strong case for clean air, water, soil (CO2 is not a pollutant).

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #22 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:40pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

Do you not know how to read a graph?

There is no graph at that post, only a still from Oppenheimer.

Are you high? If so, the coalition needs you on their team.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #23 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

The BoA part of that article where it states the following should be looked at:

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Bank of America (2023)[edit]
In 2023, Bank of America conducted a LCOE study in which it postulated that existing LCOE estimates for renewables do not account for fossil fuel or battery backup and therefore levelized full system cost of electricity (LFSCOE) would be a more reasonable metric to compare sources in terms of providing 24/7 consumer electricity.[87]

LCOE LFSCOE(Texas, US) LFSCOE(Germany, EU)

Nuclear 82 122 106
Wind    40 291 504
Solar    36 413 1548
Biomass 95 117 104
Coal 76         90 78
Gas 38         40 35

Nuclear dosn't look so bad taking more factors into consideration.

Edit: For those that think in terms 3 eyed fish etc and still support coal should read this.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #24 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:33pm

6.25 PM Current power sources

NSW
Black Coal 79%
Gas 9%
Hydro 6%
Solar 0 %
Wind 5%

QLD
Black Coal 70%
Gas 24%
Hydro 5%
Solar 0%
Wind 1%

Click on fuel mix- https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-ne...

The lefties claim Liberals want to keep gas by proposing nuclear Grin

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Labor have approved a $1 billion Gina Rinehart-backed gas project.

The Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has approved over 150 new gas wells to run until 2080.

This is Labor: helping billionaires profit off fuelling the climate crisis.

I thought we got rid of Morrison.
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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #25 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:39pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

Do you not know how to read a graph?

There is no graph at that post, only a still from Oppenheimer.

Are you high? If so, the coalition needs you on their team.

Your site is ****ed, FD, a laggy, dungfired dinosaur of a board. I click on your link and i get Grappler's post with the Oppenheimer still.

It has been poined out to you dozens of times that your site is laggy, it doesn't display the latest post - that's why people post empties and flips to chivvie it along.

What have you done about it? Nuffin'. You ask me if I am high. Pull your finger out, pal, fix your antiquated, wood fired old site. You earn an income from us, meager as it is and diminishing by the day.

For FFFF's Sake.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #26 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:52pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

I click on your link and i get Grappler's post with the Oppenheimer still.

It leads me to the first post in Australian Politics Forum › General Discussion › General Board › high price tag for nuclear", perhaps that may help your angst and show the graph?

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #27 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:19pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 4:37am:

Quote:

“We don’t have a nuclear industry in Australia, it will take years to get one up and running, years, decades".

Seriously Mr Bowen?

Australia's uranium has been mined since 1954, and our uranium
reserves are the world's largest, with 28% of the total.

Re Dutton's stance, it's ironic that Gough Whitlam's Labor party
was in favour of developing nuclear power generation in Australia
until the tree-huggers of the day kyboshed it. Sadly.

It might have been a good idea back then. But since then, nuclear has gone from the cheapest to the most expensive option. Does that makes sense to you?

What/who makes you think it went from cheapest to most expensive in 50 years? Apart from Chris Bowen.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719178624

Ok, apart from Bowen and Grappler.

Do you not know how to read a graph?

There is no graph at that post, only a still from Oppenheimer.

Are you high? If so, the coalition needs you on their team.

Your site is ****ed, FD, a laggy, dungfired dinosaur of a board. I click on your link and i get Grappler's post with the Oppenheimer still.

It has been poined out to you dozens of times that your site is laggy, it doesn't display the latest post - that's why people post empties and flips to chivvie it along.

What have you done about it? Nuffin'. You ask me if I am high. Pull your finger out, pal, fix your antiquated, wood fired old site. You earn an income from us, meager as it is and diminishing by the day.

For FFFF's Sake.

we need a new board system. if we can all pitch in to get a proper xenoforo i'll help out. the current thing we use is ancient beyond measure.

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Re: Energy Sources Shape Up As An Election Battle
Reply #29 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:56pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

XenForo is good, is what my fine forum runs on.

Will be a big job but I would toss in a few bucks if that helps. We will need the patience of Job but definitely be worth it in the end.

it would be nice if we could have a search function that worked and post (up to 100 ) pages that go over the current amount so reading through any thread wasnt so frustrating

xenforo would rule

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