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Reply #1020 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 4:04pm
 
Ha, ha - 'freedom goons' ..... you like Japanese POW take onboard US submarine in Pacific - he terrify US eat him or poison him ..... Chief of Boat say - "Look - if he don't like chicken and fries he'll just have to go without..."
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Reply #1021 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 4:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
This is the "foundations" thread, and I have exposed the fact the foundations of your "freedom" ideology are founded on quicksand.

Having lost that debate and still refusing to concede,  you have decided to divert to what the CCP is doing (or was doing - nothing like mixing past and present, for a deluded "freedom" brain...)




You 'exposed' only your total ignorance, coupled with an equally total and blinkered determination to resist every attempt to school you.

You are an individual. You are free to speak your individual mind, addled as it is.  If you were banned from speaking your mind you would be affronted by it on an individual level.

Yes, moronically, you are railing against the one thing that makes you you: your individual, personal freedom of thought and expression.

That's how stupid you are, parrot.  Have a cracker, Polly.



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Reply #1022 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:05pm
 
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Reply #1023 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:42am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:37am:
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 1:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 11:45am:
Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:42pm:
And what is the price of expressing dissatisfaction with the CCP?


And what is the price  of living in a delusional  "natural individuals rights" world?


Would you like to give a straight answer to Frank's question?


Same as the price of contesting the actions of all security spook agencies in any country: severe. 

It does depend of the nature of "expressig dissatifaction"; calls for the overthroel of the government are treason in any nation. 

A call for a CHANGE of government is NOT a call for the 'overthrow' of it, you stupid parrott, and is not 'treason'.


Oh dear Frank, you've fallen for the "freedom" goons' ideology again. 

The CCP IS the government in China; calls to overthrow the CCP  are treason.

Just as some want to charge Trump with treason for his attempt to overthrow the elected government in the US. 

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Just try not to go hyperbolic and stupid whenever the shortcomings of communist distatorships is pointed out.

Too much to ask, I know.


Not at all. I'm here to help.

A communist benevolent authority might be very desirable as the democracies - "the worst form of government" - implode under spiralling inequality.


That's enough moronic, over the top pretence.

Changing a governing party by democratic elections every 3-4  years is not 'overthrowing' the government. Even a blinkered moron like you knows that.

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Reply #1024 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:42am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:37am:
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 1:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 11:45am:
Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:42pm:
And what is the price of expressing dissatisfaction with the CCP?


And what is the price  of living in a delusional  "natural individuals rights" world?


Would you like to give a straight answer to Frank's question?


Same as the price of contesting the actions of all security spook agencies in any country: severe. 

It does depend of the nature of "expressig dissatifaction"; calls for the overthroel of the government are treason in any nation. 

A call for a CHANGE of government is NOT a call for the 'overthrow' of it, you stupid parrott, and is not 'treason'.


Oh dear Frank, you've fallen for the "freedom" goons' ideology again. 

The CCP IS the government in China; calls to overthrow the CCP  are treason.

Just as some want to charge Trump with treason for his attempt to overthrow the elected government in the US. 

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Just try not to go hyperbolic and stupid whenever the shortcomings of communist distatorships is pointed out.

Too much to ask, I know.


Not at all. I'm here to help.

A communist benevolent authority might be very desirable as the democracies - "the worst form of government" - implode under spiralling inequality.



You don't know it - you don't know anything - but your idiotic communist 'benevolent authority' is the commie goons' version of 17-18th century 'enlightened desporism'. Except, of course, enlightened despots respected individual rights and liberties. That was the enlightened bit.

Communists are unenlightened despots.


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Reply #1025 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
Another simple-minded question from a fake "freedom" goon.

Answer: no; the nets were there to prevent suicide.

Common prosperity is a goal.



Why do so many eager consensus, common prosperity  Chinese jump out of windows so nets need to be installed? 

They must be the individual freedom goons, yeah??

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Reply #1026 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
Another simple-minded question from a fake "freedom" goon.

Answer: no; the nets were there to prevent suicide.

Common prosperity is a goal.



Why do so many eager consensus, common prosperity  Chinese jump out of windows so nets need to be installed? 

They must be the individual freedom goons, yeah??

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Reply #1027 - Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:38pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
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And all those nets the CCP had to place under windows of factories to prevent successful suicides... Common prosperity, CCP style?


Another simple-minded question from a fake "freedom" goon.

Answer: no; the nets were there to prevent suicide.

Common prosperity is a goal.

Ah! Your handler has an Asian mindset - a literal mind.

My question was asked in rhetorical irony.
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Reply #1028 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:25am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 4:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
This is the "foundations" thread, and I have exposed the fact the foundations of your "freedom" ideology are founded on quicksand.

Having lost that debate and still refusing to concede,  you have decided to divert to what the CCP is doing (or was doing - nothing like mixing past and present, for a deluded "freedom" brain...)


You 'exposed' only your total ignorance, coupled with an equally total and blinkered determination to resist every attempt to school you.


Wrong as usual. I exposed the fact you cannot deal successfully with the reality of who we are, namely, naturally competitive, self-interested individuals

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You are an individual. You are free to speak your individual mind, addled as it is.  If you were banned from speaking your mind you would be affronted by it on an individual level.


Correct.

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Yes, moronically, you are railing against the one thing that makes you you: your individual, personal freedom of thought and expression.


Incorrect. I'm railing against law based on the delusion of 'natural individial rights' which don't exist in reality, only in the minds of deluded 'sovereign individual'/"freedom" goons. 

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That's how stupid you are, parrot.  Have a cracker, Polly.


Refuted above, you again proving it's mirror time.

Try addressing the consequences of who we are, with a view to ending endless wars and entrenched poverty.
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Reply #1029 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:33am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
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And all those nets the CCP had to place under windows of factories to prevent successful suicides... Common prosperity, CCP style?


Another simple-minded question from a fake "freedom" goon.

Answer: no; the nets were there to prevent suicide.

Common prosperity is a goal.

Ah! Your handler has an Asian mindset - a literal mind.

My question was asked in rhetorical irony.


A literal mind?

Whereas your mind is absent, and can't even begin to deal with the reality of who we are, namely, naturally competitive, self-interested individuals who will go to war 'defending' their own 'shared beliefs'.

Another example of 'the human psychosis'.

Deplorable.


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Reply #1030 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:26pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:42am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 9:37am:
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 1:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 11:45am:
Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 5:42pm:
And what is the price of expressing dissatisfaction with the CCP?


And what is the price  of living in a delusional  "natural individuals rights" world?


Would you like to give a straight answer to Frank's question?


Same as the price of contesting the actions of all security spook agencies in any country: severe. 

It does depend of the nature of "expressig dissatifaction"; calls for the overthroel of the government are treason in any nation. 

A call for a CHANGE of government is NOT a call for the 'overthrow' of it, you stupid parrott, and is not 'treason'.


Oh dear Frank, you've fallen for the "freedom" goons' ideology again. 

The CCP IS the government in China; calls to overthrow the CCP  are treason.

Just as some want to charge Trump with treason for his attempt to overthrow the elected government in the US. 

Quote:
Just try not to go hyperbolic and stupid whenever the shortcomings of communist distatorships is pointed out.

Too much to ask, I know.


Not at all. I'm here to help.

A communist benevolent authority might be very desirable as the democracies - "the worst form of government" - implode under spiralling inequality.


You don't know it - you don't know anything - but your idiotic communist 'benevolent authority' is the commie goons' version of 17-18th century 'enlightened desporism'. Except, of course, enlightened despots respected individual rights and liberties. That was the enlightened bit.


Your error there: enlightened despots require submission to their benevolent authority, overruling  delusional and contradictory individual rights. 

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Communists are unenlightened despots.


Depends on the communists in question.
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Reply #1031 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:43am
 
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I'm railing against law based on the delusion of 'natural individial rights' which don't exist in reality, only in the minds of deluded 'sovereign individual'/"freedom" goons.


This is very stupid, as usual from you.  Marxism, 'common prosperity' and all the rest of your silly slogans do not exist in reality either, only in your mind.

It will come as a complete surprise and shock to one as stupid as you, but everything, absolutely everything, you know about reality comes mediated by the human mind. There is no unmediated apprehension or apperception. It all comes, first, through the gates of the human senses, then through the filter of the mind and then expressed in an abstract code called language.

There is no Marxism in reality. It is an ideology, made up fairly recently by a guy whose delusions and vehemence captivated you.

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Reply #1032 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:45am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
Another simple-minded question from a fake "freedom" goon.

Answer: no; the nets were there to prevent suicide.

Common prosperity is a goal.



Why do so many eager consensus, common prosperity  Chinese jump out of windows so nets need to be installed? 

They must be the individual freedom goons, yeah??


I provided the link to labour law reform in China, as the country's wealth increases. Guess who resisted labour law reform in 2008?......the US and EU Chambers of Commerce, stinking of self-interest.
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Reply #1033 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:46am
 
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I'm railing against law based on the delusion of 'natural individial rights' which don't exist in reality, only in the minds of deluded 'sovereign individual'/"freedom" goons.


They do not exist in anyone's mind here except yours. It has been pointed out to you countless times that this is merely your own idiotic delusion.
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Reply #1034 - Apr 5th, 2024 at 9:47am
 

As an aside Frank...  serious question...

Why do invariably include a personal insult to someone
every time you post a response to their comments?

    
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