Australian Politics Forum

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: foundations Reply #180 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:28am Quote: you insist on raising belief to the status of reality Again, you misunderstand. It does not mean that belief is reality. Rather, it means that reality can be a consequence of shared belief. It's a logical step, which I have not bothered to point out so far, because I thought it would be too obvious for anyone to question.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #181 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

It is only white Western populations that are expected to accommodate the entire world and all its cultures. There is no expectation of, say, Muslim Arabs accommodating Jews, Christians, Africans, Chinese, Hindus, Sikhs, Animists, Atheist and apostates (or even Palestinian Muslims) from every corner of the globe and give them the freedom not only to live their own way but actively resist assimilatiion to Muslim Arab culture and social norms..

That's right.

Western cultures hold themselves to ridiculously high standards of secularism, human rights, rule of law, (non-gender-based) equality before the law, freedom of speech and movement, political accountability etc...

The vast majority of cultures have never, and do not today, hold themselves to those high standards.

And when they migrate to those Western Cultures they don't want to hold themselves to those high standards there either ..... they want to be allowed to turn the country they have migrated to into the same sort of country they fled.

And they are actively doing it all over the globe.

That's right, as all cultures do. Hence rabbits, foxes and weasels in Australia.

Individualism is usually an absurd concept to people who have grown up within collectivist cultures.

And those from cultures where religious observance is mandatory and religion dominates all aspects of life, including political life, and is inextricable from their justice systems, find assimilation particularly difficult.

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #182 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:35am

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

We have to start somewhere -
make it 100,000 then - no more.

What's the alternative - bring in 2 million rickshaw drivers?

Do you know anything about the Australian immigration process?

Ask an immigrant.

No - but 1.6 million people came into this country over the last 4 years
and that is only what they've admitted to.

That's equivalent to a city the size of Adelaide.

Where are they living?

Given nearly all of them will possess high-end required skills, in middle-class to upper-middle-class houses, I'd bet.

Should people in rural Australia go without doctors, healthcare workers, police etc... due to curbing immigration for its own sake?

Nearly all of them? Grin

What a load of bollocks.

How many of them would you say are living in substandard conditions?

Back to top

IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 29287
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #183 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:36am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 5:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

We have to start somewhere -
make it 100,000 then - no more.

What's the alternative - bring in 2 million rickshaw drivers?

Do you know anything about the Australian immigration process?

Ask an immigrant.

No - but 1.6 million people came into this country over the last 4 years
and that is only what they've admitted to.

That's equivalent to a city the size of Adelaide.

Where are they living?

Given nearly all of them will possess high-end required skills, in middle-class to upper-middle-class houses, I'd bet.

Should people in rural Australia go without doctors, healthcare workers, police etc... due to curbing immigration for its own sake?

Come on - most of them are in the big cities and
many are living 6 at a time in one bedroom flats. Roll Eyes

indians and chinese feel within their comfort zone when crowded

my sister had a lot of chinese uni srudents stay with her over the time and they often would move out of having their own bedroom to kick in with 20 or so other chinese students , 5 to a room.

and there are an indian family i know of with 4 families in a house and 3 taxis and the guys run those cabs 24/7. they change shifts like supercar drivers change drivers at bathurst .

i'm all for it

i admire the work ethic of the chinese and the indians

i dont think the samoan and tongans and maori are in the same cohort, work wise
and a lot of them are very fat, get diabetes and then spend 40 years clogging up hospitals .

albo needs to connect with the stud manager at coolmore stud and think about what sort of bloodstock we should be importing to improve the national herd.

i would be going all out to get people from singapore, malaysia, south korea, (and china and india) as these places are aspirational and industrious

and like dubai , i would import phillipinos and pakistanis on working visas , on $3 an hour ( a fortune for these guys) and they would build good quality affordable housing

the current slack fat sloppy white trash in most of our cities have probably never held a hammer in their hands and would probably faint the first time the temp hit 30 degrees Roll Eyes

Yep you should be a comedian

They don't have building standards in those countries ... people build to their own standards...

& guess what ... in a natural disaster they get washed away(floods), collapse (earthquakes)

Admittedly your $3 an hour pay rate is better than Gina Rineharts $2 a day suggestion.

Say that did happen .... how long would it be before everyone would be expected to work for $3 hr?

All you seem to come up with is how to turn us into a 3rd world country.

We'd see how long you remained alone on all the country you own then. Grin

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #184 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:38am

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 1:45pm:

Immigration will always be an easy target for politicians to leverage against their opposition.

The obvious reason is instinctive human suspicion of the other.

The next reason is the assimilation issues that invariably arise among post-1st generation immigrants who are forced to take on the challenges of having a foot in both culture-camps that can often spill over into antisocial and/'or criminal behaviour.

yes but see my Reply #80.

Immigration has been a taboo subject and even now
it only got mentioned AFTER the Dunkley by-election
by the shadow immigration minister.

Yes, well, the one caveat to that is when societies are faced with potential demographic collapse - heard of 'populate or perish'?

Societies cannot survive where the birthrate drops below replacement level and does not recover.

Sure - we need some immigration but not millions of people in only a few years.

'millions of people in only a few years', eh!

Define 'only a few years'... 60? or 6?

see my Reply #80.

"but I can tell you what's too high -
1.6 million people coming into this country over 4 years"

Do you have an optimal figure in mind over 4 years?

Whatever is required to fulfill jobs that can not be secured after advertising in Australia.
Could be perhaps 100,000 over 4 years?

You're pulling figures out of your arse!!

And where did the 1.6 million figure come from?

Out of a Politicians/ the Labor Parties arse?

Maybe. It would depend on how immigration was measured and whether the figures were massaged.

Back to top

IP Logged

JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #185 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:38am Quote: and like dubai , i would import phillipinos and pakistanis on working visas , on $3 an hour ( a fortune for these guys) and they would build good quality affordable housing certainly that will be great for the Site Inspection guy on youtube's business NOT COMPLIANT
Back to top	IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 29287
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #186 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:39am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

It refers to things that become real as a consequence of shared belief in them.

Transgenderism, wage gap against women, the actual existence of Men's Rights, Aboriginal Genocide and Oppression and special Rights, gay persecution, that a cop and not a gay killed those two young men, the Kennedy Assassination was not a team effort, minority persecution and special rights (again), racism in Australia, Divine Right Of Elected Government (the infamous 'mandate'), ... Jesus - what a list here, Igor....

https://www.quora.com/How-come-JFK-has-an-immediate-reaction-to-being-shot-while...

Now HTF was Connally shot through and through right to left while turned over 90 degrees in his seat back towards Kennedy who was already struggling with the neck hit.... run that one through frame by frame and the moment of impact is clear when Connolly's cheeks blow out.. and he is nearly turned backwards in his seat and looking at Kennedy... read his lips - What The Fork!

Did that magic bullet somehow turn over 90 degrees in mid air after exiting Kennedy's throat, and still have enough energy to do a through and through.. it was a Carcano 6.5mm, FCS - not a NATO 7.62 AP round (slightly heavier and more powder and as said - Armour Piercing) which we all know can turn 90 deg+ corners.... well - at least it can do two through and throughs... in a straight line or nearly..

You drink it! There was a second gunman to the left of the car.... meaning via triangulation there were three.. the last on the grassy knoll was the perfect spot, and that was most likely a 7.62 or similar AP round.... massive penetration and through and through.

Connolly was in the way of the head shot from the grassy knoll.... thus was removed ... these guys were experts... not some 50% shooter ex-Marine.

Agree

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 29287
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #187 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:45am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

It is only white Western populations that are expected to accommodate the entire world and all its cultures. There is no expectation of, say, Muslim Arabs accommodating Jews, Christians, Africans, Chinese, Hindus, Sikhs, Animists, Atheist and apostates (or even Palestinian Muslims) from every corner of the globe and give them the freedom not only to live their own way but actively resist assimilatiion to Muslim Arab culture and social norms..

That's right.

Western cultures hold themselves to ridiculously high standards of secularism, human rights, rule of law, (non-gender-based) equality before the law, freedom of speech and movement, political accountability etc...

The vast majority of cultures have never, and do not today, hold themselves to those high standards.

And when they migrate to those Western Cultures they don't want to hold themselves to those high standards there either ..... they want to be allowed to turn the country they have migrated to into the same sort of country they fled.

And they are actively doing it all over the globe.

That's right, as all cultures do. Hence rabbits, foxes and weasels in Australia.

Individualism is usually an absurd concept to people who have grown up within collectivist cultures.

And those from cultures where religious observance is mandatory and religion dominates all aspects of life, including political life, and is inextricable from their justice systems, find assimilation particularly difficult.

Then they are not suitable migrants.....No?

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 29287
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #188 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

We have to start somewhere -
make it 100,000 then - no more.

What's the alternative - bring in 2 million rickshaw drivers?

Do you know anything about the Australian immigration process?

Ask an immigrant.

No - but 1.6 million people came into this country over the last 4 years
and that is only what they've admitted to.

That's equivalent to a city the size of Adelaide.

Where are they living?

Given nearly all of them will possess high-end required skills, in middle-class to upper-middle-class houses, I'd bet.

Should people in rural Australia go without doctors, healthcare workers, police etc... due to curbing immigration for its own sake?

Nearly all of them? Grin

What a load of bollocks.

How many of them would you say are living in substandard conditions?

Don't deflect to asking ...how many are living in substandard conditions?

Answer this first - How many possess high-end required skills??

Nearly all of them you said ....

I said that is a load of bollocks.

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #189 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 12:24pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

We have to start somewhere -
make it 100,000 then - no more.

What's the alternative - bring in 2 million rickshaw drivers?

Do you know anything about the Australian immigration process?

Ask an immigrant.

No - but 1.6 million people came into this country over the last 4 years
and that is only what they've admitted to.

That's equivalent to a city the size of Adelaide.

Where are they living?

Given nearly all of them will possess high-end required skills, in middle-class to upper-middle-class houses, I'd bet.

Should people in rural Australia go without doctors, healthcare workers, police etc... due to curbing immigration for its own sake?

Nearly all of them? Grin

What a load of bollocks.

How many of them would you say are living in substandard conditions?

Don't deflect to asking ...how many are living in substandard conditions?

Answer this first - How many possess high-end required skills??

Nearly all of them you said ....

I said that is a load of bollocks.

My estimate comes from the Australian Immigration process requiring specific skills.

Where are you getting yours?

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #190 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 12:27pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

It is only white Western populations that are expected to accommodate the entire world and all its cultures. There is no expectation of, say, Muslim Arabs accommodating Jews, Christians, Africans, Chinese, Hindus, Sikhs, Animists, Atheist and apostates (or even Palestinian Muslims) from every corner of the globe and give them the freedom not only to live their own way but actively resist assimilatiion to Muslim Arab culture and social norms..

That's right.

Western cultures hold themselves to ridiculously high standards of secularism, human rights, rule of law, (non-gender-based) equality before the law, freedom of speech and movement, political accountability etc...

The vast majority of cultures have never, and do not today, hold themselves to those high standards.

And when they migrate to those Western Cultures they don't want to hold themselves to those high standards there either ..... they want to be allowed to turn the country they have migrated to into the same sort of country they fled.

And they are actively doing it all over the globe.

That's right, as all cultures do. Hence rabbits, foxes and weasels in Australia.

Individualism is usually an absurd concept to people who have grown up within collectivist cultures.

And those from cultures where religious observance is mandatory and religion dominates all aspects of life, including political life, and is inextricable from their justice systems, find assimilation particularly difficult.

Then they are not suitable migrants.....No?

No. Australian immigration does not discriminate based on religious belief, so their religious affiliation is not assessed.

Back to top

IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 74257
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #191 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 12:59pm

JC Denton wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 11:38am:

Quote:

and like dubai , i would import phillipinos and pakistanis on working visas , on $3 an hour ( a fortune for these guys) and they would build good quality affordable housing

certainly that will be great for the Site Inspection guy on youtube's business

NOT COMPLIANT

Love this guys work. I've seen a few of his vids.

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14169 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #192 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 3:10pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:05pm: I see they left out Men's Rights again .... White men have more 'rights' than any other being on earth, with the only exception being divorce settlements and dealings with the Family Court .
Back to top	'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.' - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi IP Logged

Jasin

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 47421
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #193 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 3:15pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 3:10pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:05pm:

I see they left out Men's Rights again ....

White men have more 'rights' than any other being on earth,
with the only exception being divorce settlements and dealings with the Family Court

.

Probably because the White man created the Political Rights in the first place.
I'm sure Blacks have the entitlement, when it comes to Land and Maths.
Or the Yellows when it comes to living in Cities - with their little 'china towns' inside of them, etc.

Back to top

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11887
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #194 - Mar 5^th, 2024 at 3:22pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 5^th, 2024 at 3:10pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:05pm:

I see they left out Men's Rights again ....

White men have more 'rights' than any other being on earth,
with the only exception being divorce settlements and dealings with the Family Court

.

Citizens of Western liberal democracies have more rights than any other being on earth,
because we subscribe to and defend Western liberal democratic ideals.

There's a reason why people from other political systems attempt to breach the borders of Western liberal democratic states.

Back to top

IP Logged