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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83844 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #15 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:23pm Every citizen in this country holds the same Rights.......... it's just that some rights are considered more equal than others...... and what is left for all the whining groups are not Rights - but demands.... and you know how I treat demands. You DEMAND what?
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Re: foundations
Reply #16 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Grappler,
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Name the RIGHTS - not the pissy wants.... it's not a Right unless it is shared by everyone..... equally.....

As I've said on another thread - we don't even have the first layer of the pyramid -
democracy.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708690071/75#84

There are too many topics off the political agenda -
all decided and agreed upon behind closed doors - in secret -
by both major parties.
We never get to vote on it.

Can you name one?

Mass immigration.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83844 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #17 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:28pm Aye - here be demand for a 'right':- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mother-claims-15-month-old-is-non-binary-an... A-OOOG-ah ..... 'mother'.....
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Re: foundations
Reply #18 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Grappler,
Quote:

Name the RIGHTS - not the pissy wants.... it's not a Right unless it is shared by everyone..... equally.....

As I've said on another thread - we don't even have the first layer of the pyramid -
democracy.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708690071/75#84

There are too many topics off the political agenda -
all decided and agreed upon behind closed doors - in secret -
by both major parties.
We never get to vote on it.

Can you name one?

Mass immigration.

Which parties do not have an immigration policy?

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Re: foundations
Reply #19 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:33pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Grappler,
Quote:

Name the RIGHTS - not the pissy wants.... it's not a Right unless it is shared by everyone..... equally.....

As I've said on another thread - we don't even have the first layer of the pyramid -
democracy.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708690071/75#84

There are too many topics off the political agenda -
all decided and agreed upon behind closed doors - in secret -
by both major parties.
We never get to vote on it.

Can you name one?

Mass immigration.

Which parties do not have an immigration policy?

Labor and Liberal have a secret immigration policy -

they both support mass immigration.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: foundations Reply #20 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103167 Melbourne Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #21 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:42pm freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm: Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby? Yes. https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83844 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #22 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:54pm freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm: Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby? Apparently he didn't disagree when it was put to him.......... maybe he didn't understand the question... sort of 'there's core understanding and non-core understanding' ... you know...
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Re: foundations
Reply #23 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:57pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Grappler,
Quote:

Name the RIGHTS - not the pissy wants.... it's not a Right unless it is shared by everyone..... equally.....

As I've said on another thread - we don't even have the first layer of the pyramid -
democracy.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708690071/75#84

There are too many topics off the political agenda -
all decided and agreed upon behind closed doors - in secret -
by both major parties.
We never get to vote on it.

Can you name one?

Mass immigration.

Which parties do not have an immigration policy?

A government of Two Parties has no separate party .... no Opposition ... only we Few ... we Happy Few .. we Band of Brothers.... for he who stands with me today IS my brother - whether he be so base...

BOTH support mass immigration .... both go against the wishes of The People.... two 'parties' in lockstep constitute a one party 'government' - anathema to our form of democracy..... fine for North Korea ....

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Re: foundations
Reply #24 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm

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BOTH support mass immigration .... both go against the wishes of The People....

Just because you disagree with them does not mean everyone else does, and does not mean we don't have a democracy.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm:

Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby?

Yes.

https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

You are wrong.

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Reply #25 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:24pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:57pm:

A government of Two Parties has no separate party .... no Opposition ... only we Few ... we Happy Few .. we Band of Brothers.... for he who stands with me today IS my brother - whether he be so base...

BOTH support mass immigration .... both go against the wishes of The People.... two 'parties' in lockstep constitute a one party 'government' - anathema to our form of democracy..... fine for North Korea ....

It's better than North Korea but our democracy has been usurped
by those who make the most important decisions in secret.

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Re: foundations
Reply #26 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:25pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm:

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BOTH support mass immigration .... both go against the wishes of The People....

Just because you disagree with them does not mean everyone else does, and does not mean we don't have a democracy.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm:

Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby?

Yes.

https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

You are wrong.

Are you calling Peta Credlin a liar?

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Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite — we never voted for high immigration:

Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public.

Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”. …

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Re: foundations
Reply #27 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:25pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm:

Quote:

BOTH support mass immigration .... both go against the wishes of The People....

Just because you disagree with them does not mean everyone else does, and does not mean we don't have a democracy.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:40pm:

Do you think Bob Hawke really said that Bobby?

Yes.

https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

You are wrong.

Are you calling Peta Credlin a liar?

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Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite — we never voted for high immigration:

Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public.

Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”. …

I would say that she is deliberately misleading people (at the very least), and you are gullible for falling for it. She is actually quoting the statements that she alleges Hawke agreed with - not quoting Hawke himself. I expect if we saw the actual exchange she based that off, it would be even further from the truth.

It is beside the point anyway. You and grapps cannot see the wood for the trees. Even if Hawke did say that, he is not saying we do not have a democracy, and you would be wrong to conclude that. I started a thread about the foundation of our civilisation and you are complaining about not getting your way.

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Reply #28 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:31pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 4:23pm:

Every citizen in this country holds the same Rights.......... it's just that some rights are considered more equal than others...... and what is left for all the whining groups are not Rights - but demands.... and you know how I treat demands.

You DEMAND what?

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ZUBUW3ELrUcAAAAC/spit-take-laughing.gif

I can see why you like that clip so much Grapps.
Takes you back to your yogurt donations down at the Albury-Wodonga Clinic, eh?! Wink

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Re: foundations
Reply #29 - Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:33pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2024 at 5:31pm:

I would say that she is deliberately misleading people (at the very least), and you are gullible for falling for it. She is actually quoting the statements that she alleges Hawke agreed with - not quoting Hawke himself. I expect if we saw the actual exchange she based that off, it would be even further from the truth.

OK - so you believe that none of the decisions on mass immigration have been made in secret
and as a conspiracy between the two major parties?

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