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Reply #555 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:57am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:03pm:
Obviously India and the US are desperate to avoid internationalization the yuan; India is shooting itself in the foot. 

Why should India prefer Yuan over US dollars, Euros, gold or, in this case, UAE Dirhams?


Because the US - possessing  the world's reserve currency, and currently sanctioning anyone it dislikes - is a rogue state; India needs alternatives to deal with unforeseen circumstances.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/webcontent/russia-braces-for-the-unthinkable-as-...

Russia Braces For The Unthinkable As China's Yuan Dethrones Japan In SWIFT




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Reply #556 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am
 
There are plenty of good alternatives, which is why people don't bother with the Yuan.
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Reply #557 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 7:38pm:
Ah, Grasshoppers - what is the value of a dollar's worth of bananas in the oil market?

How many bananas make up one American Ruprecht?


Whatever the nations who are trading via barter (following US sanctions)  consider the trade is worth.
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Reply #558 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:07am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
The reason bullion dealers can feel confident about the claim that precious metals (particularly gold and silver) have intrinsic value is that it is the only medium of exchange when all others fail or become unfeasible.


But all others do not become unfeasible; the Britsh pound was replaced by the US dollar, and by mid century the yuan and Indian rupee will be among the major global trading currencies.


Whichever fiat currencies are used as world reserves, gold will remain the primary international medium of exchange when those fiat currencies fail or are embargoed/restricted.


Nonsense, barter is  choice, as we have seen in the current global financial chaos resulting from war and US sanctions.

Even so, the fiat currencies of strong economies don't fail.

Even Russia's currency is holding up domestically, because Russia is largely self-sufficient in food and energy.


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Reply #559 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:09am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am:
There are plenty of good alternatives, which is why people don't bother with the Yuan.


Did you miss #555?


China's Yuan Dethrones Japan** In SWIFT

**ie, the Yen.

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Reply #560 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:12am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am:
There are plenty of good alternatives, which is why people don't bother with the Yuan.


Because of their "shared belief"?

The ME, BRICS (inc. China) don't agree with you....
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Reply #562 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:21am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:30am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:03pm:
Obviously India and the US are desperate to avoid internationalization the yuan; India is shooting itself in the foot. 

Why should India prefer Yuan over US dollars, Euros, gold or, in this case, UAE Dirhams?

Could it be because the US dollar, the Euro and the Yen account for over 90% of foreign exchange transactions, with gold being convertible to anything?


No, because there isn't sufficient gold in the world to account for '90% of foreign exchange transactions'  - which is why Nixon abandoned the gold standard.
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Reply #563 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:27am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:07am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
The reason bullion dealers can feel confident about the claim that precious metals (particularly gold and silver) have intrinsic value is that it is the only medium of exchange when all others fail or become unfeasible.


But all others do not become unfeasible; the Britsh pound was replaced by the US dollar, and by mid century the yuan and Indian rupee will be among the major global trading currencies.


Whichever fiat currencies are used as world reserves, gold will remain the primary international medium of exchange when those fiat currencies fail or are embargoed/restricted.


Nonsense, barter is  choice, as we have seen in the current global financial chaos resulting from war and US sanctions.

Even Russia's currency is holding up domestically, because Russia is largely self-sufficient in food and energy.

More bananas?

Do ordinary Russians have a choice of currencies over the Rouble?
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Reply #564 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:28am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:12am:
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am:
There are plenty of good alternatives, which is why people don't bother with the Yuan.


Because of their "shared belief"?

The ME, BRICS (inc. China) don't agree with you....


Because people don't trust the Chinese government. With good reason.

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No, because there isn't sufficient gold in the world to account for '90% of foreign exchange transactions'


You don't need more gold every time there is a transaction.
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Reply #565 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:32am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:21am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:30am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:03pm:
Obviously India and the US are desperate to avoid internationalization the yuan; India is shooting itself in the foot. 

Why should India prefer Yuan over US dollars, Euros, gold or, in this case, UAE Dirhams?

Could it be because the US dollar, the Euro and the Yen account for over 90% of foreign exchange transactions, with gold being convertible to anything?


No, because there isn't sufficient gold in the world to account for '90% of foreign exchange transactions'  - which is why Nixon abandoned the gold standard.

There doesn't have to be. Gold will not surpass the US dollar as the preferred medium of exchange. It can be used to bypass a fiat currency and/or to keep transactions secret or opaque.

That would be the best way for Russia to purchase arms from North Korea without affecting any market.
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Reply #566 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:43am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:07am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
The reason bullion dealers can feel confident about the claim that precious metals (particularly gold and silver) have intrinsic value is that it is the only medium of exchange when all others fail or become unfeasible.


But all others do not become unfeasible; the Britsh pound was replaced by the US dollar, and by mid century the yuan and Indian rupee will be among the major global trading currencies.


Whichever fiat currencies are used as world reserves, gold will remain the primary international medium of exchange when those fiat currencies fail or are embargoed/restricted.


Nonsense, barter is  choice, as we have seen in the current global financial chaos resulting from war and US sanctions.

Even Russia's currency is holding up domestically, because Russia is largely self-sufficient in food and energy.

More bananas?

Do ordinary Russians have a choice of currencies over the Rouble?


They don't need a choice of currency; they must manage in the current war economy imposed on them by Putin  (and  NATO).

google

"In February 2024, the inflation rate in Russia stood at around 7.7 percent compared to the same month of the previous year. The figure has increased gradually since December 2023. The highest rate over the observed period was recorded in April 2022 at 17.8 percent.

ie for the 1st 2 months of the war, after which Russia has nanaged its war economy successfully, with inflation coming back to safe levels.
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Reply #567 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:46am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:43am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:07am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
The reason bullion dealers can feel confident about the claim that precious metals (particularly gold and silver) have intrinsic value is that it is the only medium of exchange when all others fail or become unfeasible.


But all others do not become unfeasible; the Britsh pound was replaced by the US dollar, and by mid century the yuan and Indian rupee will be among the major global trading currencies.


Whichever fiat currencies are used as world reserves, gold will remain the primary international medium of exchange when those fiat currencies fail or are embargoed/restricted.


Nonsense, barter is  choice, as we have seen in the current global financial chaos resulting from war and US sanctions.

Even Russia's currency is holding up domestically, because Russia is largely self-sufficient in food and energy.

More bananas?

Do ordinary Russians have a choice of currencies over the Rouble?


They don't need a choice of currency; they must manage in the current war economy imposed on them by Putin  (and  NATO).

google

"In February 2024, the inflation rate in Russia stood at around 7.7 percent compared to the same month of the previous year. The figure has increased gradually since December 2023. The highest rate over the observed period was recorded in April 2022 at 17.8 percent.

ie for the 1st 2 months of the war, after which Russia has nanaged its war economy successfully, with inflation coming back to safe levels.

If most Russians are only buying bread and vodka, there's not much chance of inflation.
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Reply #568 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:28am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:12am:
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 9:59am:
There are plenty of good alternatives, which is why people don't bother with the Yuan.


Because of their "shared belief"?

The ME, BRICS (inc. China) don't agree with you....


Because people don't trust the Chinese government. With good reason.


Your fallacy of composition again, you - and like minded - are not ALL people.  the ME, and  BRICS (including much of Arica) c. 3 billion people want to exit the US dollar as reserve currency.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/internationaldevelopment/2024/02/29/long-read-the-beginn...

The beginning of the end for the US dollar’s global dominance

Professor Robert Wade writes that the weaponization of the dollar and the dollar payments system against countries such as Russia and Iran over the past decade has incentivised others to find ways to escape the US dollar hegemony

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No, because there isn't sufficient gold in the world to account for '90% of foreign exchange transactions'


You don't need more gold every time there is a transaction. [/quote]

But if a nation can't pay on demand in gold, a 'run on the bank' will occur - and the whole system will collapse, which is why the US abandoned the gold standard  after its status  changed from the world's biggest creditor nation (after WW2) to the biggest debtor nation.

Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt


Nixon abandoned the gold standard  because:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock#:~:text=The%20Nixon%20shock%20was%20a,
international%20convertibility%20of%20the%20United


The Nixon shock was a series of economic measures undertaken by United States President Richard Nixon in 1971, in response to increasing inflation, the most significant of which were wage and price freezes, surcharges on imports, and the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the United States dollar to gold.
Although Nixon's actions did not formally abolish the existing Bretton Woods system of international financial exchange, the suspension of one of its key components (the gold standard) effectively rendered the Bretton Woods system inoperative.



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Reply #569 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 11:23am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:32am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 10:21am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:30am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 16th, 2024 at 4:03pm:
Obviously India and the US are desperate to avoid internationalization the yuan; India is shooting itself in the foot. 

Why should India prefer Yuan over US dollars, Euros, gold or, in this case, UAE Dirhams?

Could it be because the US dollar, the Euro and the Yen account for over 90% of foreign exchange transactions, with gold being convertible to anything?


No, because there isn't sufficient gold in the world to account for '90% of foreign exchange transactions'  - which is why Nixon abandoned the gold standard.


There doesn't have to be. Gold will not surpass the US dollar as the preferred medium of exchange. It can be used to bypass a fiat currency and/or to keep transactions secret or opaque.


ie for criminal purposes...got it.

See my post which hasn't appeared yet: Nixon didn't want to have to raid US gold reserves if gold was demanded by other nations trading with the US.


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That would be the best way for Russia to purchase arms from North Korea without affecting any market.


Does Russia have enough gold to outlast the war?
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