Frank wrote on Mar 20
th, 2024 at 7:17am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19
th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
Morality, Justice, and Fairness are ideas created in the human cortex brain, and therefore exist in nature's slaughter-house, ie, since the appearance of homo sapiens c. 300K years ago, and developed over that time.
They are concepts which are universally attractive to humans, at the abstract level.
You can try arguing those three things are not universally attractive.....
In contrast to the delusional idea of 'natural individual rights' which didn't "exist in nature" for most of that 300K years - when humans were NOT at the top of the food chain in nature's slaughter-house.... a false concept which significantly came into being during the enlightenment, as a result of men trying to find a basis for rule of law after the collapse of the 'Divine Right of Kings'.
So...
1. Morality, justice, fairness are ideas that were created in the brain (by whom/what? ) 300k years ago
In the cortex brains of evolved homo sapiens, starting c.300k years ago.
Quote:2. Nevertheless humans lived in a slaughterhouse all that time, under the divine right of kings
Humans consciously chose (and choose) to organize into groups (tribes);
divine right of kings was one method of administration of power, within the conditions of life on this planet, ie, subject to nature's food chain aka nature's slaughterhouse.
Quote:3. Then they wanted to get rid of the kings to get back to the 300k year old innate, natural ideas of morality, justice and fairness on the basis that these Ideas were created in each brain 300k years ago
People eventually wanted to be free of the power of kings; and ideas of morality, justice and fairness were developed over time, by philosophers, as a counter to
nature's (and king's) 'might is right', and a counter to the chaos resulting from the free operation of individuals' instinctive, competitive, self-interested survival mechanisms.
But other ideas also arose in men's brains, eg 'natural individuals rights' - which were erroneoualy considered to exist in nature's slaughtehouse - a contradiction: nature's slaughterhouse doesn't recogize a "right to life".
Quote:4. But they were deluded because, after all, morality, justice, fairness in each brain is a delusion.
Now your errors are abounding: some ideas ARE delusional, as noted above, while others are not.
'Fairness' - though not existing in nature's slaugherhouse, only in men's brains (spot the difference between "natural" cf. the ideas in human brains) - is an outcome
desired by many humans; as is a "right to life", but while the former is achievable, the latter cannot exist while humans choose to remain afflicted by their most persitent plague - warfare, the result of delusions like 'natural individual rights'.
A vicious circle , a catch-22, you have to let go of the delusion, to have a "right" to life.
Quote:5. Glorious Chinese common prosperity was invented my Mao, after reading Marx and Lenin, and the future is bright, happy and glorious.
Well ...Mao didn't invent it, but that is the vision; whether it is achieved is another thing altogether. Granting the privelege of money creation to the state would be a powerful force toward engendering shared prosperity.
Careful - you're wandering off into the uncharted wilds of free choice there.... is that by your own choosing or simply through force of pressure from reality?
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