MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25
th, 2024 at 2:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25
th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25
th, 2024 at 1:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25
th, 2024 at 1:18pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24
th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
The acknowledgement of individual rights and their enshrinement into law was the death knell for serfdom.
Wrong of course; it was the death knell for the Divine Right of Kings.
The death knell of the divine right of kings in the nations of Britain was not sounded by democracy but by the 'glorious revolution'.
Well - Britain retained its kings while its democracy was rudimentary, based on ownership of property.
Whereas the Yanks were among the first to introduce democracy based on 'natural individual rights' - regardless of property ownership - leading to war with Britain.
Quote:The divine right of kings in France was not ended by democracy but by revolution.
Correct.
Quote:The divine right of kings in the German and Austro-Hungarian empires was not ended by democracy but by WW1.
Correct
Quote:The right of monarchy was not ended in America by democracy but by revolution, as it was in China.
Er ...America was a collection of British colonies with a constitution and a 'democracy' based on faulty
Enlightenment 'individual rights' ideology, before the War of Independnce.
Quote:The divine right of kings was always ended by war and conflict.
Not so, see America BEFORE the War of Independence.
Quote:Democracy was the death knell for serfdom by the recognition that all individuals ls had equal rights.
Wrong again: in Russia and China, the death knell for serfdom was communist revolution - based on recognition of "from each according to his ability, to each according to need".
"Equal rights", maybe?
No. America did not have a democracy before the War of Independence.
Ok, my mistake, I confused the 1812 war with Britain, with the War of Independence (1775)
(Amazing that Britain who defeated Napoleon's navy (at Trafalgar) couldn't defeat the new US republic's navy, 7 years later. )
google:
" Drafted in secret by delegates to the Constitutional Convention during the summer of 1787, this four-page document, signed on September 17, 1787, established the government of the United States...based on Enlightenment 'natural individual rights' delusions.
Quote:They first founded a republic after the war, not a democracy.
And nevermind that the Founding Fathers first proposed that George Washington be declared King of America.
Ok.
Quote:Karl Marx borrowed the idea of individual rights from the burgeoning democracy in the US of the 19th century and the lack of individual rights in, the Industrial Revolution, 19th-century Britain.
Yes.
Quote:Lenin ended serfdom in name but transformed it in reality into enslavement to the state via a reign of terror, as did Mao - a lifelong admirer of Lenin and Stalin.
Ideology-based errors abound there; Lenin (and Stalin) transformed Russia from serfdom to an industrial power- house capable of defeating Nazi Germany.
Ditto in China, later on (after Mao).
Quote:So, from telling us that democracy ended the divine right of kings,
No, that's your story; I said the divine right of kings was replaced with the 'natural individual rights' delusion, in the US.
And Marx's ideas on 'individual rights' didn't match the democracies ideas - the collective not the individual is key in Marx.
Quote:you have now admitted you were wrong in most and are wrong in those states where you thought communism brought an end to serfdom.
Wrong re 'natural individuals rights'? in the US? See above.
And communism did bring an end to serfdom in Russia and China.
Your "individuial rights' delusion considers collectivism to be 'slavery' - but citizens in China are as "free" as you; as shown by one woman interviewed during the last US election, who cheerfully responded: "my husband is interested in the US election, but I'm more interested in running my shop".
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