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Re: foundations
Reply #870 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:41am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

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And communism did bring an end to serfdom in Russia and China.

Communism replaced serfdom with slavery to the state.

By Jove - you ARE on the money tonight!

Wrong; like you, Meister is merely confused as a result of ideological blindness: Stalin replaced serfdom with a repressive dictatorship, not "communism" ie government for the well-being of the proletariat.

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Reply #871 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:45am

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

(Amazing that Britain who defeated Napoleon's navy (at Trafalgar) couldn't defeat the new US republic's navy, 7 years later. )

Speaking on what drives history, one podcaster whose name I can't recall, suggested that history often turns on the smallest of events or circumstances.

When Washington and his army were sitting ducks on the banks of the East River, the British were prevented from finishing him off by an unexpected wind change which delayed them by a day... Just enough time for Washington and the Continental Army to escape.

You needed a podcaster whose name you dont recall to tell you THAT??

How old ar es you? 7?

At the very least, small minded people can always find small events to pin everything on.

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Re: foundations
Reply #872 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

Your "individuial rights' delusion considers collectivism to be 'slavery' - but citizens in China are as "free" as you;

Are they, now??!!

Are rural Chinese allowed to freely move to a city?

Are any Chinese allowed to freely move anywhere?

Yes, the movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions. Indeed, the '2 sessions' conference considered how to revitalize rural villages, to reverse the losses in the hinterland.

But....back to 'foundations': why are you content with the current housing crisis in Oz?

Apparently 20,000 homeless kids were turned away by relevent authorities in 2023, and it's only getting worse.

Deplorable.

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Reply #873 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:57am

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

(Amazing that Britain who defeated Napoleon's navy (at Trafalgar) couldn't defeat the new US republic's navy, 7 years later. )

Speaking on what drives history, one podcaster whose name I can't recall, suggested that history often turns on the smallest of events or circumstances.

When Washington and his army were sitting ducks on the banks of the East River, the British were prevented from finishing him off by an unexpected wind change which delayed them by a day... Just enough time for Washington and the Continental Army to escape.

You needed a podcaster whose name you dont recall to tell you THAT??

How old ar es you? 7?

Hey...I enjoyed the story about Washington's army sitting on banks of the East River, about to be annihilated by the Brits....

btw can you explain how the mighty British navy was defeated by the upstart yanks, just 7 years after Trafalgar?

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Re: foundations
Reply #874 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:06am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Is it that government who rules or is it the people as sovereign?

Parliament is sovereign.

Correct - as opposed to Graps' "the people" in the "worst form of government "(Churchill)

I propose a benevolent, meritorious authority, with consensus arising from the shared belief in morality, justice and fairness.

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Reply #875 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:09am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

Your "individuial rights' delusion considers collectivism to be 'slavery' - but citizens in China are as "free" as you;

Are they, now??!!

Are rural Chinese allowed to freely move to a city?

Are any Chinese allowed to freely move anywhere?

Yes, the movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions. Indeed, the '2 sessions' conference considered how to revitalize rural villages, to reverse the losses in the hinterland.

The movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions by order of the CCP which allows those millions to work in sweatshops. They are not allowed to integrate into the urban population, are forced to work more than 996, and cannot leave their dorm facilities when their shift ends...

Slavery by another name.

What this has caused is a collapse in rural life including what little the Chinese had to be self-sustaining with food production also collapsing.

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Reply #876 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:11am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Is it that government who rules or is it the people as sovereign?

Parliament is sovereign.

Correct - as opposed to Graps' "the people" in the "worst form of government "(Churchill)

"Except for the alternatives".

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Reply #877 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

Your "individuial rights' delusion considers collectivism to be 'slavery' - but citizens in China are as "free" as you;

Are they, now??!!

Are rural Chinese allowed to freely move to a city?

Are any Chinese allowed to freely move anywhere?

Yes, the movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions. Indeed, the '2 sessions' conference considered how to revitalize rural villages, to reverse the losses in the hinterland.

The movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions by order of the CCP which allows those millions to work in sweatshops.

Wrong again, wages were higher in the "sweat shops".

The CCP wants to reverse the trend, through 'rural revitalization'...just as Oz governments are encouraging 'de-centralization'.

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Reply #878 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:17am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

(Amazing that Britain who defeated Napoleon's navy (at Trafalgar) couldn't defeat the new US republic's navy, 7 years later. )

Speaking on what drives history, one podcaster whose name I can't recall, suggested that history often turns on the smallest of events or circumstances.

When Washington and his army were sitting ducks on the banks of the East River, the British were prevented from finishing him off by an unexpected wind change which delayed them by a day... Just enough time for Washington and the Continental Army to escape.

You needed a podcaster whose name you dont recall to tell you THAT??

How old ar es you? 7?

Hey...I enjoyed the story about Washington's army sitting on banks of the East River, about to be annihilated by the Brits....

btw can you explain how the mighty British navy was defeated by the upstart yanks, just 7 years after Trafalgar?

Cost.

The British won almost every battle fought against the Continental Army. But, like Putin today, the British grossly underestimated the will of the enemy to fight a guerilla war to the last man.

That, and the almost god-like respect that the rebels had for Washington, who proved to be one of the greatest leaders in world history.

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Reply #879 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:19am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:16am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

Your "individuial rights' delusion considers collectivism to be 'slavery' - but citizens in China are as "free" as you;

Are they, now??!!

Are rural Chinese allowed to freely move to a city?

Are any Chinese allowed to freely move anywhere?

Yes, the movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions. Indeed, the '2 sessions' conference considered how to revitalize rural villages, to reverse the losses in the hinterland.

The movement of rural poor to cities has numbered many millions by order of the CCP which allows those millions to work in sweatshops.

Wrong again, wages were higher in the "sweat shops".

The CCP wants to reverse the trend, through 'rural revitalization'...just as Oz governments are encouraging 'de-centralization'.

Movement from rural to city has proved to cause demographic collapse, as opposed to rural, to town, to suburb, to city, via which the demography declines more slowly.

Unfortunately for the Chinese, demographic collapse is now unstoppable.

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Reply #880 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:23am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Is it that government who rules or is it the people as sovereign?

Parliament is sovereign.

Correct - as opposed to Graps' "the people" in the "worst form of government "(Churchill)

"Except for the alternatives".

Why did you leave out my posited alternative?

Just because Churchill, like you, had no vision?

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Reply #881 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Is it that government who rules or is it the people as sovereign?

Parliament is sovereign.

Correct - as opposed to Graps' "the people" in the "worst form of government "(Churchill)

"Except for the alternatives".

Why did you leave out my posited alternative?

I was quoting Churchill more fully.

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Reply #882 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 12:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Is it that government who rules or is it the people as sovereign?

Parliament is sovereign.

Correct - as opposed to Graps' "the people" in the "worst form of government "(Churchill)

"Except for the alternatives".

Why did you leave out my posited alternative?

I was quoting Churchill more fully.

I know that: he, like you - being comfortable conservatives - had/have no vision beyond "the worst form of government".

Sad.

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Reply #883 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 11:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm:

(Amazing that Britain who defeated Napoleon's navy (at Trafalgar) couldn't defeat the new US republic's navy, 7 years later. )

Speaking on what drives history, one podcaster whose name I can't recall, suggested that history often turns on the smallest of events or circumstances.

When Washington and his army were sitting ducks on the banks of the East River, the British were prevented from finishing him off by an unexpected wind change which delayed them by a day... Just enough time for Washington and the Continental Army to escape.

You needed a podcaster whose name you dont recall to tell you THAT??

How old ar es you? 7?

Hey...I enjoyed the story about Washington's army sitting on banks of the East River, about to be annihilated by the Brits....

btw can you explain how the mighty British navy was defeated by the upstart yanks, just 7 years after Trafalgar?

Cost.

Indeed

(as explained by mr google):

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/august/british-view-n...
......

Turns out the Brit's North American naval station was starved of funds because Britain was still engaged in fighting Napoleon, in continental Europe.

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The British won almost every battle fought against the Continental Army. But, like Putin today, the British grossly underestimated the will of the enemy to fight a guerilla war to the last man.

That, and the almost god-like respect that the rebels had for Washington, who proved to be one of the greatest leaders in world history.

Nah....Hamas think they are warriors for Allah; delusions of power don't help; the Brits could have easily destroyed the yanks by properly provisioning their forces (including the navy) in America, if they hadn't been expending resources in fighting Napoleon, head of the most powerful army in Europe which could only be defeated by an allied army of several nations.

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Reply #884 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

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Cost.

Indeed

(as explained by mr google):

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/august/british-view-n...
......

Turns out the Brit's North American naval station was starved of funds because Britain was still engaged in fighting Napoleon, in continental Europe.

The War of Independence was fought from 1775-1783

The French Revolution didn't happen until 1789, Napoleon only took power in 1799, and the British did not declare war on France until 1803.

So, Napoleon wasn't on the scene during the American Revolution - Even Mr Google agrees. Is your 'Mr Google' running out of a fake call centre in Manilla?

Or do you still have your tits tangled in the spokes of the War of 1812?

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