Australian Politics Forum

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 43633
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #900 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:19pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Quote:

Great writing from Tolstoy.

But - post Freud, we can see some errors creeping in:

"We need only confess that we do not know the purpose of the European convulsions and that we know only the facts"

The "purpose" of the convulsions?

What about the causes - found in the hearts of men?

What about them, '40 million deaths as admin error' ***wit?

Some classic 'whataboutism' from Frank, who is frothing at the mouth because Mao didn't know how to manage change from oppressive serfdom to well-being of the proletariat.

A bit different to why Napoleon wanted to rule Europe.

Quote:

What about post Freud?

I'm referencing the naturally competitive, self-interested ego and id....to explain why men go to war.

Tolstoy seemed to look to the purpose of war - ie to make Napoleon and his subjects great, in a power grab in Europe.

But what was driving Napoleon?

(sigh.... spelling things out for the ideologically blind, my burden...)

Your being a ****ing ignorant parrot is OUR burden.

You talk complete mush and bollocks because you understand absolutely nothing, not even your own mindless slogans.

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' to make him able to **** thinks up SOO monumentally? He had none other than sheer terror and ruthless suppression of reason and a monumental ego which he deployed in favour of moronic ideology. You are all for the same mindless nonsense. Talk to us about the egos and self-interest of the hideous Maos, Gangs of Four, Stalins and the rest of your gallery of rogues and egomaniacal commie monsters.

As for Tolstoy, Napoleon, European history - you have no idea, not even a faint, nodding acquaintance, you just parrot your ignorant, idiotic crap.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 28931
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #901 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 6:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:36pm:

It's why the maoinstream centre

Thank you, Sigmund.

Chinese spell checker at work...

This site wouldn't permit corrections...it appears to be working properly today.

But we know you can't think.

Have a shot at explaining the causes of war, rather than the "purposes" (as per Tolstoy).

Just shut up you phucktard.

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28931 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #902 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:51pm Just shut up you phucktard
Back to top	"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais IP Logged

Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28931 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #903 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:51pm Just shut up you phucktard.
Back to top	"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais IP Logged

Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28931 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #904 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:52pm Just shut up you phucktard.
Back to top	"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais IP Logged

Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28931 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #905 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:54pm Repeats deliberately left to "try" & give you the message.
Back to top	"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12113
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #906 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 8:22am

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

[quote]Great writing from Tolstoy.

But - post Freud, we can see some errors creeping in:

"We need only confess that we do not know the purpose of the European convulsions and that we know only the facts"

The "purpose" of the convulsions?

What about the causes - found in the hearts of men?

What about them, '40 million deaths as admin error' ***wit?

Some classic 'whataboutism' from Frank, who is frothing at the mouth because Mao didn't know how to manage change from oppressive serfdom to well-being of the proletariat.

A bit different to why Napoleon wanted to rule Europe.

Quote:

What about post Freud?

I'm referencing the naturally competitive, self-interested ego and id....to explain why men go to war.

Tolstoy seemed to look to the purpose of war - ie to make Napoleon and his subjects great, in a power grab in Europe.

But what was driving Napoleon?

(sigh.... spelling things out for the ideologically blind, my burden...)

Quote:

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' to make him able to **** thinks up SOO monumentally?

Er...the subject is Tolstoy, not Mao...stop frothing at the mouth, and address the point (causes of war cf 'purposes')

Quote:

As for Tolstoy, Napoleon, European history - you have no idea, not even a faint, nodding acquaintance, you just parrot your ignorant, idiotic crap.

Er, the subj....oh never mind, go back to sleep.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 43633
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #907 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' to make him able to **** thinks up SOO monumentally? He had none other than sheer terror and ruthless suppression of reason and a monumental ego which he deployed in favour of moronic ideology. You are all for the same mindless nonsense. Talk to us about the egos and self-interest of the hideous Maos, Gangs of Four, Stalins and the rest of your gallery of rogues and egomaniacal commie monsters.

As for Tolstoy, Napoleon, European history - you have no idea, not even a faint, nodding acquaintance, you just parrot your ignorant, idiotic crap.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11226 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #908 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:35am While Stalin treated Mao as the backward fool he was, Mao sat at the feet of Stalin, like a backward fool that he was.
Back to top	IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12113
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #909 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

While Stalin treated Mao as the backward fool he was, Mao sat at the feet of Stalin, like a backward fool that he was.

While you remain deluded by FD's "shared belief equals reality" delusion, based on the West's Classical 'natural individual rights' delusion.

Get to it, start thinking about how to create morality, justice and fairness among naturally competitive, self-interested individuals.

Back to top

IP Logged

thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12113 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #910 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am: What was Mao's 'consensus merit' .... Wrong: Mao had no possibility of exercising consensus in a backward subsistence nation of a billion uneducated people. Do try to keep up.
Back to top	« Last Edit: Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:44pm by thegreatdivide » IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12113
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #911 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:44pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

Repeats deliberately left to "try" & give you the message.

Now Frank is trying repeats as a way of dealing with posts he can't answer.

eg
repeat
"As for Tolstoy, Napoleon, European history - you have no idea, not even a faint, nodding acquaintance, you just parrot your ignorant, idiotic crap."

Understandigng causes of war are more important than the (hidden, according to Tolstoy) "purposes" of war.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 43633 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #912 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am: What was Mao's 'consensus merit' .... Wrong: Mao had no possibility of exercising consensus in a backward subsistence nation of a billion uneducated people. Do try to keep up. So how did he get into power?
Back to top	Estragon: I can’t go on like this. Vladimir: That’s what you think. IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12113
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #913 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:02pm

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' ....

Wrong: Mao had no possibility of exercising consensus in a backward subsistence nation of a billion uneducated people.

Do try to keep up.

So how did he get into power?

Consensus among the small number of revolutionaries at the time.

So he made mistakes because all of them were operating without an economics guide book for a socialist revolution in a subsistence, pre-industrial society (Marx assumed an industrial economy - ie Europe - as a given).

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 11226
Gender: male

Re: foundations
Reply #914 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:02pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' ....

Wrong: Mao had no possibility of exercising consensus in a backward subsistence nation of a billion uneducated people.

Do try to keep up.