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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: foundations Reply #915 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?
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Reply #916 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:02pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

What was Mao's 'consensus merit' ....

Wrong: Mao had no possibility of exercising consensus in a backward subsistence nation of a billion uneducated people.

Do try to keep up.

So how did he get into power?

Consensus among the small number of revolutionaries at the time.

So, Mao and his killers revolutionaries (corrected it for you) , then... Who hid out while the Nationalists fought the Japanese.

google

"After the commencement of full-scale war between China and Japan, the Communists forces fought in alliance with the KMT forces during the Battle of Taiyuan, and the high point of their cooperation came in 1938 during the Battle of Wuhan.

However, the Communists submission to the chain of command of the National Revolutionary Army was in name only. The Communists acted independently and hardly ever engaged the Japanese in conventional battles. The level of actual coordination between the CCP and KMT during the Second Sino-Japanese War was minimal."

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So - the commies rejected KMT command, at a time when the Nationalists were still the nominal government of a China in utter chaos under Japanese occupation.

Yes, well.... if the KMT were as crooked as the Japs in commie eyes...

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Reply #920 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

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Reply #921 - Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

How do you have democracy without elections?

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Reply #922 - Mar 30^th, 2024 at 8:22am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

Yes, of course.

The CCP determines concensus via "authorised formal conversations" with "the people" and determines the appropriate candidates via "formal concensus selection" run by a panel of CCP officials who have "sanctioned authority" to select the appropriate representative who is then formally appointed by the region's CCP-appointed "regional select committee" to the post, to represent "the people" of the region in the provincial government.

Rinse and repeat for representatives at the national level.

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Reply #926 - Mar 30^th, 2024 at 8:29am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

Ah - consensus of those who agree - those who don't - to the gulag..... or worse...

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Reply #927 - Mar 30^th, 2024 at 8:35am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

How do you have democracy without elections?

I guess he means they vote for an 'electoral college' - the party members vote anyway - and the 'electoral college' then votes for the true government of whoever can force them to their way of thinking. Sort of like an Abo only voice....

As that Aboriginal woman said to me - 'not only those with the biggest fists get the jobs there, but also those families with the biggest voices!' THAT, my son, is why and how many smaller Aboriginal groups do not see these 'Voice' people as being representative of their Mob... they know as well as you do that the Aboriginal Aristocracy, with their increasingly large private hunting reserves (no poachers allowed) will take every single drop of cream and the ordinary folk - just like elsewhere - will get Andrea Dworkin's crumbs from the table.... oh, how wrong she was about reality.... in so many ways... mothra is an acolyte, BTW .... that tells it all...

Jeez - they could have put her on the rotisserie and on the table with an apple in her mouth and fed a family of cannibals for a month ..... though they might turn their noses up at that kind of fare..... yuk....

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Reply #928 - Mar 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

How do you have democracy without elections?

Have a look how political parties select their candidates in Oz. Much horse trading in grassroots, local-branch democracy.

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Reply #929 - Mar 30^th, 2024 at 9:00am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 4:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

So when the CCP says consensus, they mean consensus among the people who agree with them, while the punishment for disagreeing with them is a bullet to the back of the head?

No. They are referring to grass roots democracy, moving up to the national level without elections. - by consensus.

How do you have democracy without elections?

Have a look how political parties select their candidates in Oz. Much horse trading in grassroots, local-branch democracy.

And then they vote. They always vote.

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