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Reply #960 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 7:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Let's see if the US can repair a bridge in a year, without a political fight over funding.... while China continues to build infrastructure at a faster rate than blind leading the blind democracies torn apart by self-interest.

As the CCP did with that hospital they built in record time.

Correct; a temporary hospital built to cope with the pandemic.

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And, of course, it was never used and demolished within 3 months.

Everything in China under the CCP is built cha bu duo,

Common stupidity.

Your political bias exposed above, and refuted.

So you don't know cement has to set, eh!

The CCP never intended to use the hospital. It was built to appear like it was done in record time. They demolished it soon after, not because it wasn't needed but because it leaked almost immediately, and then the walls caved in.

The Chinese people are used to the CCP's cha bu duo.

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Reply #962 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people.

Wrong again. The CCP is in power because they fought a civil with capitalist goons, and won.

That was 75 years ago.
Talk about the divine right of communists, eh?

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Reply #963 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

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In China under the CCP, it is the CCP that is sovereign.

The CCP is the government; sovereignty of the Chinese nation is protected by the government, same as in Oz.

The CCP claims sovereignty, not merely being the government.

It is the reason the CCP claims other political parties cannot exist - their existence alone would be directly challenging the CCP's sovereign status.

Wrong. In a communist state, the Constitution is sovereign, and the party adheres to the Constitution.

Oh really??!! And when the constitution was amended recently to allow Xi to remain indefinitely in power as the murderer-in-chief, how was that amendment effected?

By consensus of the party members.

What happens to party seniors who dissent against Xi?

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Reply #964 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 5:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 7:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Let's see if the US can repair a bridge in a year, without a political fight over funding.... while China continues to build infrastructure at a faster rate than blind leading the blind democracies torn apart by self-interest.

As the CCP did with that hospital they built in record time.

Correct; a temporary hospital built to cope with the pandemic.

Quote:

And, of course, it was never used and demolished within 3 months.

Everything in China under the CCP is built cha bu duo,

Common stupidity.

Your political bias exposed above, and refuted.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

The Chinese do not care about their own people or the environment....History has shown that the Communists cannot be trusted even by their own people???

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The 1938 Yellow River flood (Chinese: 花園口決隄事件, literally "Huayuankou embankment breach incident") was a flood created by the Nationalist Government in central China during the early stage of the Second Sino-Japanese War in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history" and an example of scorched earth military strategy. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed, and millions became refugees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

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Reply #965 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 5:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

CCP legal system - no "pieces of paper", GUARANTEED consensus EVERY TIME:

https://i.imgflip.com/8e5tv7.jpg

??

What has a turtle race in the stone age to do with modern constitutions?

Try again.

Consensus politics of the CCP.

All agree, always. No other option.

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Reply #966 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 7:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Let's see if the US can repair a bridge in a year, without a political fight over funding.... while China continues to build infrastructure at a faster rate than blind leading the blind democracies torn apart by self-interest.

As the CCP did with that hospital they built in record time.

Correct; a temporary hospital built to cope with the pandemic.

Quote:

And, of course, it was never used and demolished within 3 months.

Everything in China under the CCP is built cha bu duo,

Common stupidity.

Your political bias exposed above, and refuted.

So you don't know cement has to set, eh!

The CCP never intended to use the hospital. It was built to appear like it was done in record time. They demolished it soon after, not because it wasn't needed but because it leaked almost immediately, and then the walls caved in.

The Chinese people are used to the CCP's cha bu duo.

The Chinese people are used to travelling on hs trains at 350km/hr. No room for cha bu duo .

Aren't you envious?

The Overlander in Oz - a 12 hour trip - would take in 3 hours (with stops) in China.

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Reply #967 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people.

Wrong again. The CCP is in power because they fought a civil with capitalist goons, and won.

That was 75 years ago.
Talk about the divine right of communists, eh?

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

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Reply #968 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people.

Wrong again. The CCP is in power because they fought a civil with capitalist goons, and won.

That was 75 years ago.
Talk about the divine right of communists, eh?

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

What bollocks

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Reply #969 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:25am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

Quote:

In China under the CCP, it is the CCP that is sovereign.

The CCP is the government; sovereignty of the Chinese nation is protected by the government, same as in Oz.

The CCP claims sovereignty, not merely being the government.

It is the reason the CCP claims other political parties cannot exist - their existence alone would be directly challenging the CCP's sovereign status.

Wrong. In a communist state, the Constitution is sovereign, and the party adheres to the Constitution.

Oh really??!! And when the constitution was amended recently to allow Xi to remain indefinitely in power as the murderer-in-chief, how was that amendment effected?

By consensus of the party members.

What happens to party seniors who dissent against Xi?

The same as what happened to Abbot and Turnbull.

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Reply #970 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:32am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 5:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 7:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Let's see if the US can repair a bridge in a year, without a political fight over funding.... while China continues to build infrastructure at a faster rate than blind leading the blind democracies torn apart by self-interest.

As the CCP did with that hospital they built in record time.

Correct; a temporary hospital built to cope with the pandemic.

Quote:

And, of course, it was never used and demolished within 3 months.

Everything in China under the CCP is built cha bu duo,

Common stupidity.

Your political bias exposed above, and refuted.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

The Chinese do not care about their own people or the environment....History has shown that the Communists cannot be trusted even by their own people???

Quote:

The 1938 Yellow River flood (Chinese: 花園口決隄事件, literally "Huayuankou embankment breach incident") was a flood created by the Nationalist Government in central China during the early stage of the Second Sino-Japanese War in an attempt to halt the rapid advance of Japanese forces. It has been called the "largest act of environmental warfare in history" and an example of scorched earth military strategy. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed, and millions became refugees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

That was in 1938 during a time of absolute poverty and chaos. Now the goal is a "propserous socialist society in all respects" by mid century, the centenary of the CCP government (2049).

...when China regains its place as a leading nation, as noted by Pishore Mahbubani.

Stop being paranoid goons.

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Reply #971 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:34am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 5:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

CCP legal system - no "pieces of paper", GUARANTEED consensus EVERY TIME:

https://i.imgflip.com/8e5tv7.jpg

??

What has a turtle race in the stone age to do with modern constitutions?

Try again.

Consensus politics of the CCP.

All agree, always. No other option.

You want everlasting climate wars, and reversal of policy when the other set of goons are elected?

Good one.

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Reply #972 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:37am

Gnads wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

In China, all power emerges from pieces of paper. The CCP is never responsible.

You still hung up on "pieces of paper".

Implementation of power is defined on "pieces of paper" in any legal system.

The CCP is in power because a piece of paper says they are in power. Not because they are a bunch of communist thugs who killed tens of millions of Chinese people.

Wrong again. The CCP is in power because they fought a civil with capitalist goons, and won.

That was 75 years ago.
Talk about the divine right of communists, eh?

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

What bollocks

News travels around the world quickly these days; the Capitol riots have destroyed 'the beacon on the hill' delusion forever.

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Reply #973 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:12am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

Quote:

In China under the CCP, it is the CCP that is sovereign.

The CCP is the government; sovereignty of the Chinese nation is protected by the government, same as in Oz.

The CCP claims sovereignty, not merely being the government.

It is the reason the CCP claims other political parties cannot exist - their existence alone would be directly challenging the CCP's sovereign status.

Wrong. In a communist state, the Constitution is sovereign, and the party adheres to the Constitution.

Oh really??!! And when the constitution was amended recently to allow Xi to remain indefinitely in power as the murderer-in-chief, how was that amendment effected?

By consensus of the party members.

What happens to party seniors who dissent against Xi?

The same as what happened to Abbot and Turnbull.

You need to stop responding just for the sake of it.

Abbott and Turnbull were not expelled from the party nor were they forbidden to make political statements.

Xi ensured Hu Jintao's expulsion from the CCP's 20th Party Congress was a public humiliation.

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Reply #974 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

They do not see it as failing the Taiwanese people, who are many times wealthier than the Chinese under the CCP.

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