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Reply #975 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:12am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 12:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 31^st, 2024 at 11:30am:

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In China under the CCP, it is the CCP that is sovereign.

The CCP is the government; sovereignty of the Chinese nation is protected by the government, same as in Oz.

The CCP claims sovereignty, not merely being the government.

It is the reason the CCP claims other political parties cannot exist - their existence alone would be directly challenging the CCP's sovereign status.

Wrong. In a communist state, the Constitution is sovereign, and the party adheres to the Constitution.

Oh really??!! And when the constitution was amended recently to allow Xi to remain indefinitely in power as the murderer-in-chief, how was that amendment effected?

By consensus of the party members.

What happens to party seniors who dissent against Xi?

The same as what happened to Abbot and Turnbull.

You need to stop responding just for the sake of it.

Abbott and Turnbull were not expelled from the party nor were they forbidden to make political statements.

Xi ensured Hu Jintao's expulsion from the CCP's 20th Party Congress was a public humiliation.

And Abbott's and Turnbull's dethronings was not a humiliation.

But you need to stop looking at the CCP, and face your own "individual rights" delusions which I am relentlessly exposing, and for which you have no logical defence - hence your diversions to the CCP.

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Reply #976 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

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They do not see it as failing the Taiwanese people, who are many times wealthier than the Chinese under the CCP

GDP per capita?

China is rapidly catching up.

While democratic India - with a similar population to China - is still a quarter that of China.

Note : this is the 'foundations' thread?

You can't defend the foundations of your fake 'natural individual rights' delusions?

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Reply #981 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11778 Gender:	Re: foundations Reply #982 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:24pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm: You can't defend the foundations of your fake 'natural individual rights' delusions? That ios handled by the process of freedom of speech. In China, it is handled with stolen savings, a loaded gun and bashed in skulls.
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Reply #983 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

Link?

As opposed to:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.

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Reply #984 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/23655-taiwan-people-unhappy-with-dpp-pol...

Taiwan people unhappy with DPP, polls show

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Reply #985 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 4:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/23655-taiwan-people-unhappy-with-dpp-pol...

Taiwan people unhappy with DPP, polls show

Helsinki Times, eh!

You posted an article from May 2023 copied from the CCP's China Daily...

When was the Taiwanese general election, again?....

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Reply #986 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 4:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 4:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/23655-taiwan-people-unhappy-with-dpp-pol...

Taiwan people unhappy with DPP, polls show

Helsinki Times, eh!

Yeh - the capital of Finland, recently joined NATO.

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You posted an article from May 2023 copied from the CCP's China Daily...

From the article:

"According to another poll conducted on May 15 by the Taiwan Public Opinion Foundation, more than 50 percent of respondents do not want the DPP to remain in power."

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When was the Taiwanese general election, again?....

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/taiwans-2024-elections-everyones-a-winner-and...

"It’s natural for people to ask who won Taiwan’s presidential and legislative elections on January 13, but the reality is that everyone won—and everyone lost. The Democratic Progressive Party’s presidential candidate won, but the party lost its majority in the legislature. The Kuomintang’s (KMT; mainland friendly) presidential candidate lost, but the party won the most seats of any party in the legislature. The upstart Taiwan People’s Party (TPP) lost the presidential election, but it won enough seats in the legislature to ensure its support is needed for the passage of any legislation upon which the two main political parties are deadlocked."

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Reply #987 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 4:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

You can't defend the foundations of your fake 'natural individual rights' delusions?

That ios handled by the process of freedom of speech.

Not when the establishment parties and mainstream media are all equally deluded, and urging war with China.

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In China, it is handled with stolen savings, a loaded gun and bashed in skulls.

Well, the US property bust wrecked the entire global economy as well stealing the savings of many US citizens (while a few clever Wall Street fraudsters creamed off $billions for themselves).

As to "loaded guns and bashed in skulls", that's merely your sick political rhetoric, nothing to do with Xi, everything to do with your 'natural rights' delusions: the criminal underbelly in ALL nations relies on "bashed-in skulls" as its business model.

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Reply #988 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 5:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 4:47pm:

As to "loaded guns and bashed in skulls", that's merely your sick political rhetoric, nothing to do with Xi, everything to do with your 'natural rights' delusions: the criminal underbelly in ALL nations relies on "bashed-in skulls" as its business model.

It has everything to do with Xi and the CCP.

Police operate without scrutiny and oversight and will act as brutally as they like - there is no accountability unless the victim turns out to be connected.

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Reply #989 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 5:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 3:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:24am:

These days the Chinese people have seen democracy - "the worst form of government" - with all its faults (the US Capitol riots being a classic example; people dispute the vote count).

Mainland Chinese see democracy in the nation of Taiwan.

And they are not interested, most agree Taiwan is part of China.

They're more than interested, the Chinese in China want the life the Taiwanese have.

Link?

As opposed to:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.

And what is the price of expressing dissatisfaction with the CCP?

Jail, execution, disappearance.

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