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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:45am
 
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:19am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:14am:
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 7:49am:
Anyway, I wonder what Sam Kerr means when she said to the cop, 'Stupid white cop".  A white person would never say that to another. She obviously used is as a racial epithet.
What is the objectionable word out of those three? It is not 'cop' (she says she didn't call him bastard). It must be either stupid or white or both.

What if someone said 'it was a stupid half-Indian thing for her to say to a white person".
Could she or anyone else object to such a formulation?

The black/white 'race' thing is an Americanism - promoted globally by easily the dumbest f~cks in the Anglosphere.

Case in point: Hispanics being characterised as 'white'.

No European characterises each other as white in Europe when referring to themselves, any more than Africans do about themselves in Africa - something that comes as a genuine shock to African-Americans who emigrate there.

Australian culture is particularly susceptible to Americanisms, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise when our dumb f~cks imitate American dumb f~cks.


hispanics arent characterised as white, 'hispanic' is a census category in the u.s that pertains specifically to linguistic/cultural origin; you can nominate other ethnic categories in addition to 'hispanic', hence 'non-white hispanic %' and 'white hispanic %'. hispanics can be white or any other racial category depending on their nomination

https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/ethnicity/#:~:text...

yet another post where you don't know what you're talking about but could have spent two seconds googling beforehand instead



As one of our local bitchy dumb f~cks who spends time looking for ways to use the N-word, stop using your fingers to play with your arsehole and try googling why many Hispanics identify themselves as white on the US census.

Look for the definition of 'white' as a socio-economic, political, or vaguely European (and apologies to southern Europeans) or patriotic definition as opposed to it being a 'racial' one.
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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:13am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:45am:
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:19am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:14am:
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 7:49am:
Anyway, I wonder what Sam Kerr means when she said to the cop, 'Stupid white cop".  A white person would never say that to another. She obviously used is as a racial epithet.
What is the objectionable word out of those three? It is not 'cop' (she says she didn't call him bastard). It must be either stupid or white or both.

What if someone said 'it was a stupid half-Indian thing for her to say to a white person".
Could she or anyone else object to such a formulation?

The black/white 'race' thing is an Americanism - promoted globally by easily the dumbest f~cks in the Anglosphere.

Case in point: Hispanics being characterised as 'white'.

No European characterises each other as white in Europe when referring to themselves, any more than Africans do about themselves in Africa - something that comes as a genuine shock to African-Americans who emigrate there.

Australian culture is particularly susceptible to Americanisms, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise when our dumb f~cks imitate American dumb f~cks.


hispanics arent characterised as white, 'hispanic' is a census category in the u.s that pertains specifically to linguistic/cultural origin; you can nominate other ethnic categories in addition to 'hispanic', hence 'non-white hispanic %' and 'white hispanic %'. hispanics can be white or any other racial category depending on their nomination

https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/ethnicity/#:~:text...

yet another post where you don't know what you're talking about but could have spent two seconds googling beforehand instead



As one of our local bitchy dumb f~cks who spends time looking for ways to use the N-word, stop using your fingers to play with your arsehole and try googling why many Hispanics identify themselves as white on the US census.

Look for the definition of 'white' as a socio-economic, political, or vaguely European (and apologies to southern Europeans) or patriotic definition as opposed to it being a 'racial' one.


because many of them are in fact to a great extent ancestrally european you f_cking idiot, which is literally what 'white' conceptually is synonymous with - holy sh1t you absolute f_cking spasticated c_nt.

this is a dude who literally tried to speculate that a few meaningless zingers from the head of state of mongolia were a suggestive precusor for serious international tensions in eurasia

you're like thegreatdivide with a few iq points on top, i honestly find it difficult to distinguish between you and him sometimes you're both so unimaginably generic and retarded

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:14am
 
Australia was the Galapagos Islands of human racial differences. Aborigines remained as primitive in the 18th century as they were when they arrived from India or Asia in 40,000 bc.
The human development elsewhere on the planes was as astonishing by comparison as the total lack of development by Aborigines - and a few other pockets of similarly primitive prehostoric humans in the Amazon, Borneo, Papaua.
Tasmania is at the 42 latitude South, mirroring Rome and the mediterrenean or northern China, Korea and Japan at 42 degrees North. Forty thousands years ago everyone around the globe was as primitive as each other, with no discernible differences. Aborigines stayed excatly the same while the rest of the world moved on. That is astonishing.

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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:27am
 
as i like to say, they were probably less culturally accomplished than beavers are. if you raise a beaver in an animal hospital - even if it hasn't seen a forest or a running stream in its life, it will pile up objects in the hallways of the hospital in an attempt to construct a dam. beavers literally have more of an industrious spirit and work ethic than aboriginals do

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Reply #19 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:50am
 
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:45am:
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:19am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:14am:
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 7:49am:
Anyway, I wonder what Sam Kerr means when she said to the cop, 'Stupid white cop".  A white person would never say that to another. She obviously used is as a racial epithet.
What is the objectionable word out of those three? It is not 'cop' (she says she didn't call him bastard). It must be either stupid or white or both.

What if someone said 'it was a stupid half-Indian thing for her to say to a white person".
Could she or anyone else object to such a formulation?

The black/white 'race' thing is an Americanism - promoted globally by easily the dumbest f~cks in the Anglosphere.

Case in point: Hispanics being characterised as 'white'.

No European characterises each other as white in Europe when referring to themselves, any more than Africans do about themselves in Africa - something that comes as a genuine shock to African-Americans who emigrate there.

Australian culture is particularly susceptible to Americanisms, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise when our dumb f~cks imitate American dumb f~cks.


hispanics arent characterised as white, 'hispanic' is a census category in the u.s that pertains specifically to linguistic/cultural origin; you can nominate other ethnic categories in addition to 'hispanic', hence 'non-white hispanic %' and 'white hispanic %'. hispanics can be white or any other racial category depending on their nomination

https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/ethnicity/#:~:text...

yet another post where you don't know what you're talking about but could have spent two seconds googling beforehand instead



As one of our local bitchy dumb f~cks who spends time looking for ways to use the N-word, stop using your fingers to play with your arsehole and try googling why many Hispanics identify themselves as white on the US census.

Look for the definition of 'white' as a socio-economic, political, or vaguely European (and apologies to southern Europeans) or patriotic definition as opposed to it being a 'racial' one.


because many of them are in fact to a great extent ancestrally european you f_cking idiot, which is literally what 'white' conceptually is synonymous with - holy sh1t you absolute f_cking spasticated c_nt.

this is a dude who literally tried to speculate that a few meaningless zingers from the head of state of mongolia were a suggestive precusor for serious international tensions in eurasia

you're like thegreatdivide with a few iq points on top, i honestly find it difficult to distinguish between you and him sometimes you're both so unimaginably generic and retarded


Take your fingers out of your arsehole (you'll have to hope it's not a tumour) and use them to google.

Usually, Hispanics who identify as 'white' are not light-skinned and/or fair-haired.

'White' in the US is a term that is used to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

Where it is used to indicate 'race', it is used in a way no European would use it.
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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #20 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:58am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:50am:
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:45am:
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:19am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 8:14am:
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 7:49am:
Anyway, I wonder what Sam Kerr means when she said to the cop, 'Stupid white cop".  A white person would never say that to another. She obviously used is as a racial epithet.
What is the objectionable word out of those three? It is not 'cop' (she says she didn't call him bastard). It must be either stupid or white or both.

What if someone said 'it was a stupid half-Indian thing for her to say to a white person".
Could she or anyone else object to such a formulation?

The black/white 'race' thing is an Americanism - promoted globally by easily the dumbest f~cks in the Anglosphere.

Case in point: Hispanics being characterised as 'white'.

No European characterises each other as white in Europe when referring to themselves, any more than Africans do about themselves in Africa - something that comes as a genuine shock to African-Americans who emigrate there.

Australian culture is particularly susceptible to Americanisms, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise when our dumb f~cks imitate American dumb f~cks.


hispanics arent characterised as white, 'hispanic' is a census category in the u.s that pertains specifically to linguistic/cultural origin; you can nominate other ethnic categories in addition to 'hispanic', hence 'non-white hispanic %' and 'white hispanic %'. hispanics can be white or any other racial category depending on their nomination

https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/ethnicity/#:~:text...

yet another post where you don't know what you're talking about but could have spent two seconds googling beforehand instead



As one of our local bitchy dumb f~cks who spends time looking for ways to use the N-word, stop using your fingers to play with your arsehole and try googling why many Hispanics identify themselves as white on the US census.

Look for the definition of 'white' as a socio-economic, political, or vaguely European (and apologies to southern Europeans) or patriotic definition as opposed to it being a 'racial' one.


because many of them are in fact to a great extent ancestrally european you f_cking idiot, which is literally what 'white' conceptually is synonymous with - holy sh1t you absolute f_cking spasticated c_nt.

this is a dude who literally tried to speculate that a few meaningless zingers from the head of state of mongolia were a suggestive precusor for serious international tensions in eurasia

you're like thegreatdivide with a few iq points on top, i honestly find it difficult to distinguish between you and him sometimes you're both so unimaginably generic and retarded


Take your fingers out of your arsehole (you'll have to hope it's not a tumour) and use them to google.

Usually, Hispanics who identify as 'white' are not light-skinned and/or fair-haired.

'White' in the US is a term that is used to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

Where it is used to indicate 'race', it is used in a way no European would use it.


"white skinned" doesnt necessarily imply ancestry c_nt; look at sam kerr, total street sh_tter phenotype despite being half european genetically

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/#:~:text=Patterns%20of%20Ge...

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Patterns of Genetic Ancestry of Self-Reported Latinos Latinos encompass nearly all possible combinations of African, Native American, and European ancestries, with the exception of individuals who have a mix of African and Native American ancestry without European ancestry (see Figures S4A and S1). On average, we estimate that Latinos in the US carry 18.0% Native American ancestry, 65.1% European ancestry, and 6.2% African ancestry. We find the highest levels of estimated Native American ancestry in self-reported Latinos from states in the Southwest, especially those bordering Mexico (Figure 2C). We find the highest mean levels of African ancestry in Latinos living in or born in states in the South, especially Louisiana, the Midwest, and Atlantic (Figure 2A). Further stratification of individuals by their self-reported population affiliation (e.g., “Mexican,” “Puerto Rican,” or “Dominican”) reveals a diversity in genetic ancestry, consistent with previous work studying these populations (see Figure S5 and Table S5).10,20,24,25,68,69 We find that Latinos who, besides reporting as “Hispanic,” also self-report as Mexican or Central American, carry more Native American ancestry than Latinos overall; those also who self-report as black, Puerto Rican, or Dominican have higher levels of African ancestry; and those who additionally self-report as white, Cuban, or South American have on average higher levels of European ancestry.


every single f_cking thing you say is so orthogonal with reality and basic common sense it just begs absolute belief
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Reply #21 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 10:15am
 
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:58am:
"white skinned" doesnt necessarily imply ancestry

Yes, that's what I said. You're proof that anal sex fiddles with the mind.

'White' in the US is a term that has morphed into a term to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

However, most Americans and those in the Anglosphere still presume it refers to 'race' and in Australia, it is used to refer to nothing but 'race'.

'Hispanic' is a term that means different things to Americans depending on their geolocation.
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Reply #22 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:08am
 
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends.  There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races".  Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme.  Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races".  They do not exist.  All the "Races" are identical Genetically.   Any differences are superficial and meaningless.  Children.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:32am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:08am:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends.  There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races".  Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme.  Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races".  They do not exist.  All the "Races" are identical Genetically.   Any differences are superficial and meaningless.  Children.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'm not arguing that 'race' exists. I'm not sure others are either.

What does exist is the tenacious longevity of its underlying pseudoscience even in the face of its debunking - akin to religious dogma.
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Reply #24 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:57am
 
Most human differences have nothing to do with science. That race is not genetic is largely irrelevant. What does exist and remains relevant is the perception of racial differences EVEN IF there is no DNA difference. It just means that DNA is irrelevant.

You can substitute European for white. What matters is that it was Europeans who discovered, colonised, described and studied the world beyond their own little tribal patches, starting with the Greeks who colonised the entire Mediterreanenan and first drew attention to the noticable difference between themselves and the barbarians they met. They were not talking about DNA but the differences were still obvious and undeniable.

Europeans discovered and civilised - shaped after their own civilisation - the Americas, Australia, Africa and much of Asia, not the other way around. How Europeans developed, within about three thousand years, to such a world dominating significance is interesting and next to the 60,000 years of aboriginal history of totally static itrelevance is astonishing. The rest of the 'barbarians' are somewhere on the scale between these two poles of human development, some closer to Europeans, some to Aborigines.


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Reply #25 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:01pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:32am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:08am:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends.  There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races".  Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme.  Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races".  They do not exist.  All the "Races" are identical Genetically.   Any differences are superficial and meaningless.  Children.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'm not arguing that 'race' exists. I'm not sure others are either.

What does exist is the tenacious longevity of its underlying pseudoscience even in the face of its debunking - akin to religious dogma.


Oh, definitely, definitely. I have been arguing against the likes of Soren for over ten or more years.  He is the worst, he seems to definitely believe in his Racism on the basis of differences between the "Races".  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:57am:
Most human differences have nothing to do with science. That race is not genetic is largely irrelevant. What does exist and remains relevant is the perception of racial differences EVEN IF there is no DNA difference. It just means that DNA is irrelevant.

You can substitute European for white. What matters is that it was Europeans who discovered, colonised, described and studied the world beyond their own little tribal patches, starting with the Greeks who colonised the entire Mediterreanenan and first drew attention to the noticable difference between themselves and the barbarians they met. They were not talking about DNA but the differences were still obvious and undeniable.

Europeans discovered and civilised - shaped after their own civilisation - the Americas, Australia, Africa and much of Asia, not the other way around. How Europeans developed, within about three thousand years, to such a world dominating significance is interesting and next to the 60,000 years of aboriginal history of totally static itrelevance is astonishing. The rest of the 'barbarians' are somewhere on the scale between these two poles of human development, some closer to Europeans, some to Aborigines.



Great African societies

1. The Kingdom of Kush
2. The Land of Punt
3. Carthage
4. The Kingdom of Aksum
5. The Mali Empire
6. The Songhai Empire
7. The Great Zimbabwe

Great Asian societies

1. Mesopotamian Civilisation
2. Persian Civilisation
3. Indus Valley Civilisation
4. Chinese Civilisation

Great pre-European American societies

1. Olmec
2. Teotihuacan
3. Mayas
4. Zapotecs
5. Mixtecs
6. Huastecs
7. Purepecha
8. Toltecs
9. Mexica/Aztecs
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Reply #27 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:57am:
Most human differences have nothing to do with science. That race is not genetic is largely irrelevant. What does exist and remains relevant is the perception of racial differences EVEN IF there is no DNA difference. It just means that DNA is irrelevant.

You can substitute European for white. What matters is that it was Europeans who discovered, colonised, described and studied the world beyond their own little tribal patches, starting with the Greeks who colonised the entire Mediterreanenan and first drew attention to the noticable difference between themselves and the barbarians they met. They were not talking about DNA but the differences were still obvious and undeniable.

Europeans discovered and civilised - shaped after their own civilisation - the Americas, Australia, Africa and much of Asia, not the other way around. How Europeans developed, within about three thousand years, to such a world dominating significance is interesting and next to the 60,000 years of aboriginal history of totally static itrelevance is astonishing. The rest of the 'barbarians' are somewhere on the scale between these two poles of human development, some closer to Europeans, some to Aborigines.



Great African societies

1. The Kingdom of Kush
2. The Land of Punt
3. Carthage
4. The Kingdom of Aksum
5. The Mali Empire
6. The Songhai Empire
7. The Great Zimbabwe

Great Asian societies

1. Mesopotamian Civilisation
2. Persian Civilisation
3. Indus Valley Civilisation
4. Chinese Civilisation

Great pre-European American societies

1. Olmec
2. Teotihuacan
3. Mayas
4. Zapotecs
5. Mixtecs
6. Huastecs
7. Purepecha
8. Toltecs
9. Mexica/Aztecs



You only know abut them from Europeans.

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Reply #28 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 11:08am:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends.  There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races".  Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme.  Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races".  They do not exist.  All the "Races" are identical Genetically.   Any differences are superficial and meaningless.  Children.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You must be the only one in the world who thinks races don't exist

The United States Census Bureau mentions "race" three times in this one paragraph ...

"Though many respondents expect to see a Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish category on the race question, this question is asked separately because people of Hispanic origin may be of any race(s). The Census Bureau collects these data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity."


Where does that leave you? .... up the creek without a paddle




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Reply #29 - Mar 8th, 2024 at 12:38pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 10:15am:
JC Denton wrote on Mar 8th, 2024 at 9:58am:
"white skinned" doesnt necessarily imply ancestry

Yes, that's what I said. You're proof that anal sex fiddles with the mind.

'White' in the US is a term that has morphed into a term to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

However, most Americans and those in the Anglosphere still presume it refers to 'race' and in Australia, it is used to refer to nothing but 'race'.

'Hispanic' is a term that means different things to Americans depending on their geolocation.



I don't think 'white' in America - or anywhere else - refers to socio economic status or political alignment or patriotism.
In any case, even if it did, this would make sense ONLY as a distiction from off-white demographics. But to say that whites are richer, more patriotic and of a particular political alignment is preposterous.

A highly educated, affluent, polite and cosmopolitan black man doesn't become 'white' on account of his civilisational acheievements. When he attains that level of civilisation his race as a black man will not disappear but it will hardly matter, scientifically or otherwise.


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