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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #30 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends. There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races". Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme. Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races". They do not exist. All the "Races" are identical Genetically. Any differences are superficial and meaningless. Children. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You must be the only one in the world who thinks races don't exist

The United States Census Bureau mentions "race" three times in this one paragraph ...

"Though many respondents expect to see a Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish category on the race question, this question is asked separately because people of Hispanic origin may be of any race(s). The Census Bureau collects these data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity."

Where does that leave you? .... up the creek without a paddle

I am not alone, ask any Geneticist, Bias. You are the one who believes that "Races" are anything other than a social construct. Run along, back to your rock, you really are a fool. You don't understand what is being discussed here. There are no major differences Genetically between the various "races", they can all interbreed. There is only one "race", the human one. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #31 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends. There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races". Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme. Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races". They do not exist. All the "Races" are identical Genetically. Any differences are superficial and meaningless. Children. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You must be the only one in the world who thinks races don't exist

The United States Census Bureau mentions "race" three times in this one paragraph ...

"Though many respondents expect to see a Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish category on the race question, this question is asked separately because people of Hispanic origin may be of any race(s). The Census Bureau collects these data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity."

Where does that leave you? .... up the creek without a paddle

I am not alone, ask any Geneticist, Bias. You are the one who believes that "Races" are anything other than a social construct. Run along, back to your rock, you really are a fool. You don't understand what is being discussed here. There are no major differences Genetically between the various "races", they can all interbreed. There is only one "race", the human one. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Totally irrelevant.

Social constructs are more significant than genetics. Interpersonal relationships are not based on DNA matching. Beauty, attractiveness, ugliness, cowardice, laziness, honourableness, dishonesty, etc, etc have zero genetic markers but are very signfificant and the ability to perceive them is in every human being. Similarly, racial or ethnic traits are readily perceived by everyone and rough and ready conscusions are drawn from them, as from the perception of other socially constructed aspects of the human world.

You are banging on about an irrelevancy, cockwomble. Kinda sums you up.

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #33 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 2:52pm

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 10:15am:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

"white skinned" doesnt necessarily imply ancestry

Yes, that's what I said. You're proof that anal sex fiddles with the mind.

'White' in the US is a term that has morphed into a term to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

However, most Americans and those in the Anglosphere still presume it refers to 'race' and in Australia, it is used to refer to nothing but 'race'.

'Hispanic' is a term that means different things to Americans depending on their geolocation.

I don't think 'white' in America - or anywhere else - refers to socio economic status or political alignment or patriotism.
In any case, even if it did, this would make sense ONLY as a distiction from off-white demographics. But to say that whites are richer, more patriotic and of a particular political alignment is preposterous.

A highly educated, affluent, polite and cosmopolitan black man doesn't become 'white' on account of his civilisational acheievements. When he attains that level of civilisation his race as a black man will not disappear but it will hardly matter, scientifically or otherwise.

Geez, this is a politics forum and you don't think 'white' refers to affluence, privilege, political alignment or patriotism?

Where does the current disparaging epithet 'some old white guy' come from? What could it mean, you wonder.

In terms of patriotism, in the US the southwestern states were once part of Mexico, so owning your Hispanic roots has connotations of not being patriotic to the US.

'His race as a black man', eh! What a tosser you are.

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #34 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 2:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

Genetically between the various "races", they can all interbreed.

Not only could our ancestors interbreed, but they did and whenever they got the chance - being driven by the instinct towards genetic diversity.

How else can modern European sapiens possibly carry a percentage of Neanderthal DNA?

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #35 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends. There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races". Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme. Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races". They do not exist. All the "Races" are identical Genetically. Any differences are superficial and meaningless. Children. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You must be the only one in the world who thinks races don't exist

The United States Census Bureau mentions "race" three times in this one paragraph ...

"Though many respondents expect to see a Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish category on the race question, this question is asked separately because people of Hispanic origin may be of any race(s). The Census Bureau collects these data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity."

Where does that leave you? .... up the creek without a paddle

I am not alone, ask any Geneticist, Bias. You are the one who believes that "Races" are anything other than a social construct. Run along, back to your rock, you really are a fool. You don't understand what is being discussed here. There are no major differences Genetically between the various "races", they can all interbreed. There is only one "race", the human one. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You'd better write a letter to the The United States Census Bureau then, and put them right

BTW You are still carrying on with your depravity and insults tsk tsk ... Do you understand now that you don't practice what you preach?

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #36 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 2:52pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 10:15am:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

"white skinned" doesnt necessarily imply ancestry

Yes, that's what I said. You're proof that anal sex fiddles with the mind.

'White' in the US is a term that has morphed into a term to indicate socio-economic status, social privilege, political alignment, and/or patriotism.

However, most Americans and those in the Anglosphere still presume it refers to 'race' and in Australia, it is used to refer to nothing but 'race'.

'Hispanic' is a term that means different things to Americans depending on their geolocation.

I don't think 'white' in America - or anywhere else - refers to socio economic status or political alignment or patriotism.
In any case, even if it did, this would make sense ONLY as a distiction from off-white demographics. But to say that whites are richer, more patriotic and of a particular political alignment is preposterous.

A highly educated, affluent, polite and cosmopolitan black man doesn't become 'white' on account of his civilisational acheievements. When he attains that level of civilisation his race as a black man will not disappear but it will hardly matter, scientifically or otherwise.

Geez, this is a politics forum and you don't think 'white' refers to affluence, privilege, political alignment or patriotism?

Where does the current disparaging epithet 'some old white guy' come from? What could it mean, you wonder.

In terms of patriotism, in the US the southwestern states were once part of Mexico, so owning your Hispanic roots has connotations of not being patriotic to the US.

'His race as a black man', eh! What a tosser you are.

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #37 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

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Reply #39 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

Thank you, parrot.

As you were. We'll call you.

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Reply #40 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:47pm

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

Thank you, parrot.

As you were. We'll call you.

Who's we'?? You live alone.

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Reply #41 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

Thank you, parrot.

As you were. We'll call you.

Who's we'??

The sane.

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Reply #42 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 8:28pm

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

Thank you, parrot.

As you were. We'll call you.

Who's we'??

The sane.

Well that certainly excludes you, Soren. You are the most insane person here. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: "Racism" is a social construct without evidence
Reply #43 - Mar 8^th, 2024 at 8:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

The great divide comparison is coming more and more into focus....

How many of the homeless in America, Australia, Britain are "some old white guys"?

I don't think, nor do you, that Kanye West or Kamala Harris are white even though they are far more affluent than me or most white people anywhere. The former supported Trump, the latter Biden.

As for patriotism, you are talking nonsense (again), as if the 19th century was a reliable guide to the 21st. Louisiana was French once, Alaska Russian. Does that mean heir inhabitants today, 200 years on, are tainted with being less patriotic?

You have a little learning but you really don't know what to do with it, other than regurgitate it randomly.

Your inner bitchy fag is at high noon.

Get out of the toilet block and google the issue with identifying as Hispanic in the southwestern states of the US and most parts of the south.

Unbelievable you haven't heard of the 'white guy' negative epithet referring to 'unearned' privilege and affluence and used ad nauseam by 'the woke' and many non-Anglo groups particularly in the US, but also in the UK and Canada.

Thank you, parrot.

As you were. We'll call you.

Who's we'??

The sane.

Well that certainly excludes you, Soren. You are the most insane person here. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Recognising you as a befuddled cockwomble who yawns and tut tuts is not insane, Bbwian.

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Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2024 at 9:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 1:22pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, boys you seem to be accepting my point and trying to turn it to your own ends. There are no major differences Genetically between the so-called "races". Geneticists would laugh themselves silly reading the bullshit you post, you really are foolish in the extreme. Go home, you're wasting all our time with your outmoded belief in the "races". They do not exist. All the "Races" are identical Genetically. Any differences are superficial and meaningless. Children. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You must be the only one in the world who thinks races don't exist

The United States Census Bureau mentions "race" three times in this one paragraph ...

"Though many respondents expect to see a Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish category on the race question, this question is asked separately because people of Hispanic origin may be of any race(s). The Census Bureau collects these data in accordance with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards on race and ethnicity."

Where does that leave you? .... up the creek without a paddle

I am not alone, ask any Geneticist, Bias. You are the one who believes that "Races" are anything other than a social construct. Run along, back to your rock, you really are a fool. You don't understand what is being discussed here. There are no major differences Genetically between the various "races", they can all interbreed. There is only one "race", the human one. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When you applaud Aboriginals, what are you recognising and applauding, cockwomble?

What IS the Aboriginality that you recognise as different to you or me if not ancestry, ie racial identity passed on genetically. If there is no such thing as race, what IS aboriginality, wgphat is Africanness, what is a Jew, an Arab, a Chinese, a Japanese, Maori, Indian, Papuan or Eskimo??

All the same? No diff? Of course there is diff. It is obvious to everyone. Everybody recognises racial differences. They are obvious and evident. Only an idiot like you would pretend not to see them.

The second thing is - if they are different, as evidently they are, what is the rank order, the hierarchy?

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