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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #105 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?
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Reply #106 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 10:13am
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:36pm:
Government dismisses Coalition's 10-year nuclear claim as a 'dream'


ABC News
March 10 2024

Energy Minister Chris Bowen has said that Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy Ted O'Brien is 'dreamin' if he believes Australia could have a nuclear power plant operational in 10 years.


The energy minister has rubbished his shadow counterpart's claims Australia could have nuclear power plants up and running in 10 years as the Coalition prepares to announce the nuclear plan it will take to the next election.

Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy Ted O'Brien said on Sunday morning Australia could have a nuclear power plant up in that time. 

"The best experts around the world with whom we've been engaging are saying Australia could have nuclear up and running within a 10-year period," he told Sky News.

Chris Bowen, the Minister for Climate Change and Energy, resorted to a quote made famous by the film The Castle to respond to the opposition's future plans.

"Tell 'im he's dreamin'," Mr Bowen told ABC's Insiders.

"I don't know what experts he is talking to.

"With a very developed [nuclear] regulatory regime, with a very developed nuclear industry [in] the nuclear leader of the world, the average build time of a nuclear power plant in the United States is 19 years.

"Ted O'Brien thinks he can do it in Australia in 10 with a standing start, no regulations, banned not only internationally, but throw in the Opera House and Harbour Bridge, you might sell him something."

Australia has a total ban on nuclear energy in place, which the Coalition would have to win the support of parliament to lift even if it won government at the next federal election.   Smiley

The regions most likely to go nuclear under Coalition plan
With the Coalition interested in replacing retiring coal plants with nuclear reactors, there are just a handful of regions that would be likely candidates under the opposition's yet to be announced plans to go nuclear.


Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said he would be upfront with voters about where the Coalition was looking to place potential nuclear reactors when the party announced its policy in the coming weeks.

Speaking on Channel Seven on Tuesday morning, Mr Dutton confirmed the party was "interested" in replacing retiring coal plants with nuclear because the sites came ready with poles and wires to distribute power.

"The problem is with all Mr Dutton and Mr O'Brien's cases for nuclear, when you put scrutiny on them, they crumble like a Sao in a blender," Mr Bowen said.

When asked if the government would look to lift the ban on nuclear, the energy minister said it could come at a high cost to taxpayers.

"I hear this argument about just lift the ban and let the market sort it out. Well, the market hasn't sorted it out in any other country in the world," he said.   Sad

"Every country in the world with nuclear has required massive transfers of taxpayer wealth to the nuclear constructors."


You just stock up on your candles Whiteknight ...

your ALP idiot mates & the Greens will have us back in the dark ages very soon.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #107 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #108 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:40pm:
Why do you ignore a right-wing government doing the same thing, Lee?


Which one is that?

You can't mean Labour in the UK or Labor in Australia on renewables. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Why talk about left-wing parties when the discussion is about the mismanagement of right-wing Governments, Lee?  Stop trying to shift the conversation.  How were the Tories described under Howard?  "Like drunken sailors spending on leave..."  Morrison was worse than a drunken sailor.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #109 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:52am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:31am:
How were the Tories described under Howard?  "Like drunken sailors spending on leave..."  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You are lying, of course, once again.

That is what Abbott said of The Rudd/Gillard government:

Senior navy officials expressed their outrage yesterday after Opposition Leader Tony Abbott went overboard and described Labor's fiscal policies as "spending like drunken sailors".

"The former government were spending like drunken sailors," Mr Abbott told the Nine Network's Today program.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #110 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And how will this happen?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #111 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 1:27pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And how will this happen?


As consequent of an accident.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #112 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And how will this happen?


As consequent of an accident.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


OK, lets break this down...you are afraid of a 'nuclear accident', so lets refer to holy trinity of the anti nuclear fearmongers. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima.

1. Chernobyl: 

https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-...

2. Three Mile Island:

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html

3. Fukushima:

https://www.world-nuclear.org/focus/fukushima-daiichi-accident/fukushima-daiichi...

We can see that in the case of Chernobyl it was deliberate circumventing of safety protocols in a very old reactor design, probably because the system did not encourage reporting of failures, that caused the accident.

For TMI  there was a pump failure and the reactor scrammed exactly as it was designed to do. The problem occurred when a valve that should have shut when pressure inside the reactor vessel returned to normal  didn't.  This resulted in a small mount of radioactive steam being deliberately leaked into the atmosphere to relive the pressure. This level of radiation was not dangerous.  TMI continued to operate safely until 2019.

At Fukushima the reactors shut down safely as designed whern the earthquake happened. The problem was the pumps that kept cooling water circulating around the shut down reactors were flooded when the subsequent tsunami struck, causing partial meltdowns and some hydrogen gas -not nuclear- explosions over the next 3 days. Small amounts of radiation were released but not in harmful quantities. 

In spite of the fear mongering there were no radiation related deaths at TMI or Fukushima.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #113 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 2:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And how will this happen?


As consequent of an accident.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I am sensing a personal angle here - do you have leaking accidents, Bbwian?
Tsk, tsk,  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #114 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 3:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:31am:
Why talk about left-wing parties when the discussion is about the mismanagement of right-wing Governments, Lee?

Only your discussion.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #115 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 5:17pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Belgarion wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Apart from accidents, you mean?  Why do you ignore the possibility of an accident occuring?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What sort of accident?


That results in a leak of radioactivity. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And how will this happen?


As consequent of an accident.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


OK, lets break this down...you are afraid of a 'nuclear accident', so lets refer to holy trinity of the anti nuclear fearmongers. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima.

1. Chernobyl: 

https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-...

2. Three Mile Island:

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html

3. Fukushima:

https://www.world-nuclear.org/focus/fukushima-daiichi-accident/fukushima-daiichi...

We can see that in the case of Chernobyl it was deliberate circumventing of safety protocols in a very old reactor design, probably because the system did not encourage reporting of failures, that caused the accident.

For TMI  there was a pump failure and the reactor scrammed exactly as it was designed to do. The problem occurred when a valve that should have shut when pressure inside the reactor vessel returned to normal  didn't.  This resulted in a small mount of radioactive steam being deliberately leaked into the atmosphere to relive the pressure. This level of radiation was not dangerous.  TMI continued to operate safely until 2019.

At Fukushima the reactors shut down safely as designed whern the earthquake happened. The problem was the pumps that kept cooling water circulating around the shut down reactors were flooded when the subsequent tsunami struck, causing partial meltdowns and some hydrogen gas -not nuclear- explosions over the next 3 days. Small amounts of radiation were released but not in harmful quantities. 

In spite of the fear mongering there were no radiation related deaths at TMI or Fukushima.


There where radiation leaks at Chernabyl and Fukashima.  Land and people were contaminated.  The accident at Fukashima might have a natural cause but it still happened.   Chernabyle might have been man made but it still happened. Are you prepared to 100% guarantee that no accidents will occur here, Belgarion?  We have had earthquakes, we have had human error mistakes in other industries.  Nuclear reactors are not, despite what you and Lee maintain, "as safe as houses".  They have accidents.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #116 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 5:18pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 11:31am:
Why talk about left-wing parties when the discussion is about the mismanagement of right-wing Governments, Lee?

Only your discussion.


Don't try and change the discussion, Lee.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #117 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Never mind Bwian, we have proof it was you.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:40pm:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:22pm:
I am not confused about a socialist government, spending on the never, never. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Why do you ignore a right-wing government doing the same thing, Lee?  Doesn't it fit your view of the world? Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Nothing in the topic, previously about never, never spending. Wink
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Reply #118 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 6:04pm
 
Plutonium-239, one of the radioactive by-products of nuclear power stations, has a half-life of 24,000 years. That does not mean it is gone after 24,000 years, it means half of it is still there. High-level wastes are hazardous because they produce fatal radiation doses during short periods of direct exposure.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #119 - Mar 14th, 2024 at 6:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 6:04pm:
High-level wastes are hazardous because they produce fatal radiation doses during short periods of direct exposure.



And of course there is no science to say it can be safely sequestered. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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