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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #210 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

So why don't we just throw it in with domestic garbage? That also ends up underground.

What didn't you understand about "safety"? You really are getting silly.

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Why did you suggest 3 or 4? Do you think that would be enough?

That depends on the radioactive material. You do understand question marks? Roll Eyes

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Reply #211 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:34pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

So why don't we just throw it in with domestic garbage? That also ends up underground.

What didn't you understand about "safety"? You really are getting silly.

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Why did you suggest 3 or 4? Do you think that would be enough?

That depends on the radioactive material. You do understand question marks? Roll Eyes

I don't understand why you suggested 3 or 4 half lifes. I suspect you are copying and pasting the definition but still not understanding it.

I also don't understand why you suggest it costs nothing to store radioactive waste forever.

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Reply #212 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:43pm

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

I don't understand why you suggested 3 or 4 half lifes.

It depends on the level of radioactivity. A low level say one with a life in milliseconds would have very little residual after 2 milliseconds. But I can see why you don't understand. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

I also don't understand why you suggest it costs nothing to store radioactive waste forever.

Why what do you think it would cost? Roll Eyes

I guess I shouldn't have confused you with the concept of time constants.

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Reply #213 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:05pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Why use "stimulated" weather when real weather data is available, Lee. Just head over to the Bureau of Meteorology.

And how many days per month do they say?

Why the continued emphasis on wind and sun "droughts". Lee? As already indicated the various elements complement each other. When the wind does not blow, the sun shines, when the sun does not shine, the wind blows, when there is no sun and no wind, there is pumped hydro or hydrogen. All complement each other very well. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #214 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:33pm

they are going to take so long to get these things built assuming this project even begins i dare say most of the people in this thread complaining about it for or against obsessively may never even see these reactors operational in their lifetimes

if there is a way this will be bungled or sabotaged by petty partisan politics / inter-organisational project sabotage it will happen

even if there is some inherent cost saving to these reactors their operators will find some way to gouge consumers to the max (duh it's australia) so the hopes and dreams of so many people here to see their quarterly power bill slashed by one fifth or whatever will likely never come to fruition anyway

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #215 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:37pm lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 2:43pm: It depends on the level of radioactivity. A low level say one with a life in milliseconds would have very little residual after 2 milliseconds. But I can see why you don't understand. What does the half life tell you about the level of radioactivity?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17692 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #216 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:41pm freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:37pm: What does the half life tell you about the level of radioactivity? Nothing without the specific material. But surely you know that.
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Reply #217 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:43pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Australia cannot deal with the radioactive waste it already has???

Quote:

Australia’s nuclear waste is growing as battle over dump site heats up

Government says nuclear waste cannot continue to build up and it will work with traditional custodians of proposed Kimba site

Australia is accumulating more intermediate-level nuclear waste than previously thought, a new inventory has found, as the battle over a nuclear waste dump heats up.

After 40 years of different governments talking about a national nuclear waste facility, the Morrison government chose a site near the town of Kimba in South Australia. But the local Barngarla people are united against the plan, and have vowed to keep fighting to stop it happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/14/australias-nuclear-waste-...

Simple. No one in Australia ever has an x ray again. Roll Eyes

The New Nuclear Reactors being proposed will produce High Grade Nuclear Waste....We cannot even deal with the Nuclear Waste we already have....You solution appears to be we ignore it and it will go away!!!

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #218 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

Why the continued emphasis on wind and sun "droughts". Lee? As already indicated the various elements complement each other.

The hydrogen is said to be specifically driven by solar. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

when there is no sun and no wind, there is pumped hydro or hydrogen. All complement each other very well.

Pumped hydro is not large enough for more than a few minutes. The hydrogen will not be large enough driven by solar only. Roll Eyes

Edit: "The Photovoltaic Heat Island Effect: Larger solar power plants
increase local temperatures"

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35070

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #219 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Australia cannot deal with the radioactive waste it already has???

Quote:

Australia’s nuclear waste is growing as battle over dump site heats up

Government says nuclear waste cannot continue to build up and it will work with traditional custodians of proposed Kimba site

Australia is accumulating more intermediate-level nuclear waste than previously thought, a new inventory has found, as the battle over a nuclear waste dump heats up.

After 40 years of different governments talking about a national nuclear waste facility, the Morrison government chose a site near the town of Kimba in South Australia. But the local Barngarla people are united against the plan, and have vowed to keep fighting to stop it happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/14/australias-nuclear-waste-...

Simple. No one in Australia ever has an x ray again. Roll Eyes

The New Nuclear Reactors being proposed will produce High Grade Nuclear Waste....We cannot even deal with the Nuclear Waste we already have....You solution appears to be we ignore it and it will go away!!!

Roll Eyes

There is very little 'waste' produced by nuclear power generation. A piece of uranium the size of a beer can will provide all the energy a person would use throughout their life. Even then, 96% of spent nuclear fuel can be recycled. The remaining 4% can be safely stored, with a good chance that improvements in technology may see even more recycling efficiency.

https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7093460017868770606

https://www.anl.gov/article/nuclear-fuel-recycling-could-offer-plentiful-energy

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/...

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #220 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:23pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

Why the continued emphasis on wind and sun "droughts". Lee? As already indicated the various elements complement each other.

The hydrogen is said to be specifically driven by solar. Roll Eyes

Still missing the point, deliberately, aren't you, Lee. The sun shines on photo-voltaic cells which produce electricity. When there is no sun, there is wind, when there no wind, there is pumped hydro and there is stored hydrogen. All your protests are a waste of time. They will be taken care of by a complementary method of power generation. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #221 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:24pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Australia cannot deal with the radioactive waste it already has???

Quote:

Australia’s nuclear waste is growing as battle over dump site heats up

Government says nuclear waste cannot continue to build up and it will work with traditional custodians of proposed Kimba site

Australia is accumulating more intermediate-level nuclear waste than previously thought, a new inventory has found, as the battle over a nuclear waste dump heats up.

After 40 years of different governments talking about a national nuclear waste facility, the Morrison government chose a site near the town of Kimba in South Australia. But the local Barngarla people are united against the plan, and have vowed to keep fighting to stop it happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/14/australias-nuclear-waste-...

Simple. No one in Australia ever has an x ray again. Roll Eyes

The New Nuclear Reactors being proposed will produce High Grade Nuclear Waste....We cannot even deal with the Nuclear Waste we already have....You solution appears to be we ignore it and it will go away!!!

Roll Eyes

There is very little 'waste' produced by nuclear power generation. A piece of uranium the size of a beer can will provide all the energy a person would use throughout their life. Even then, 96% of spent nuclear fuel can be recycled. The remaining 4% can be safely stored, with a good chance that improvements in technology may see even more recycling efficiency.

https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7093460017868770606

https://www.anl.gov/article/nuclear-fuel-recycling-could-offer-plentiful-energy

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/...

Not only but also:

How will all those aging wind turbines, batteries and solar panels be recycled? They are very energy-intensive to produce as well as to disassemble and recycle.

Pumped hydro strikes me as the stupidest idea. A fantasy perpetuum mobile with surplus energy created in every cycle.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #222 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:25pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 3:43pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Australia cannot deal with the radioactive waste it already has???

Quote:

Australia’s nuclear waste is growing as battle over dump site heats up

Government says nuclear waste cannot continue to build up and it will work with traditional custodians of proposed Kimba site

Australia is accumulating more intermediate-level nuclear waste than previously thought, a new inventory has found, as the battle over a nuclear waste dump heats up.

After 40 years of different governments talking about a national nuclear waste facility, the Morrison government chose a site near the town of Kimba in South Australia. But the local Barngarla people are united against the plan, and have vowed to keep fighting to stop it happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/14/australias-nuclear-waste-...

Simple. No one in Australia ever has an x ray again. Roll Eyes

The New Nuclear Reactors being proposed will produce High Grade Nuclear Waste....We cannot even deal with the Nuclear Waste we already have....You solution appears to be we ignore it and it will go away!!!

Roll Eyes

There is very little 'waste' produced by nuclear power generation. A piece of uranium the size of a beer can will provide all the energy a person would use throughout their life. Even then, 96% of spent nuclear fuel can be recycled. The remaining 4% can be safely stored, with a good chance that improvements in technology may see even more recycling efficiency.

https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7093460017868770606

https://www.anl.gov/article/nuclear-fuel-recycling-could-offer-plentiful-energy

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/...

"Vey little waste" does not mean no waste is produced. The more fuel used, the more waste is produced. Nuclear waste is difficult to store for hundreds of thousands of years. All your protests do not make the waste disappear, they do not render the waste safe. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #223 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

"Vey little waste" does not mean no waste is produced. The more fuel used, the more waste is produced. Nuclear waste is difficult to store for hundreds of thousands of years. All your protests do not make the waste disappear, they do not render the waste safe. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A picture paints a thousand words. This is Maddie Hilly. An American environmentalist:

https://www.americanexperiment.org/pregnant-woman-poses-with-nuclear-waste-to-pr...

Fear and ignorance are the dangers here, not spent nuclear fuel. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #224 - Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:23pm:

The sun shines on photo-voltaic cells which produce electricity. When there is no sun, there is wind, when there no wind, there is pumped hydro and there is stored hydrogen.

So there is no such thing as prolonged wind and solar drought, over days. Got it. And you were busy telling us how we have no SMR's currently. But we also have no renewable hydrogen currently. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 4:23pm:

They will be taken care of by a complementary method of power generation.

Oh will be. Again that's not current. Tell us when we get to 100% renewables. I will keep my 4WD diesel ute though. Roll Eyes

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