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Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream (Read 10220 times)
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #225 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm
 
Lee would you like to have another got at giving a straight answer?

How long do you think we would have to store the radioactive waste with a half life of 24,000 years? And how much do you think it would cost?

Forever and free doesn't exactly lend you any credibility.
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Reply #226 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:57pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:44pm:
. But we also have no renewable hydrogen currently. Roll Eyes


The SA govt, is planning to have a green hydrogen-production plant up and running within 2 years, powered by SA's excess solar energy.  (google it) Apparently gas turbines can now be converted to run on 100% hydrogen. 

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #227 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Lee would you like to have another got at giving a straight answer?


Well I see you have at last got a straight question.

freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
How long do you think we would have to store the radioactive waste with a half life of 24,000 years?


"The spent fuel of a nuclear reactor contains plutonium-239, which has a half-life of 24,000 years. If 1 barrel containing 10kg of plutonium-239 is sealed, how many years must pass until only 10g

of plutonium-239 is left?
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239,179 years"  But that's 10g it doesn't show the level of radiation.

freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Forever and free doesn't exactly lend you any credibility.


Seeing as you haven't come up with anything different, the credibility problem is yours.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #228 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:12pm
 
Lee, you are a WOFTAM, as we used to say in the Army.  You refuse to accept any explanation that is pro-renewables.  Such a fool, such a waste of time and money.  Run along, back under your rock, where you live.  The adults want to discuss matters.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #229 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
The SA govt, is planning to have a green hydrogen-production plant up and running within 2 years, powered by SA's excess solar energy.  (google it) Apparently gas turbines can now be converted to run on 100% hydrogen. 


As I said not current. Roll Eyes  And hydrogen gas is explosive in a wide range of mixtures, should you have any leaks. And hydrogen because of its small molecular size is highly likely to leak.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #230 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
Lee, you are a WOFTAM, as we used to say in the Army.


And you were the butt of that joke. And still are. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
You refuse to accept any explanation that is pro-renewables.


And yet you haven't provided anything of substance. Saying it will not make it so, despite your beliefs. Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #231 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:10pm
 
AEMO generates  200 terawatt hours of electricity to the east coat.

https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM

The AEMO said that renewable output reached 40% in the December quarter.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/fossil-fuels-fall-to-record-low-in-p...

So renewables would generate 80 terawatt hours if that covered the full year

Snowy 2.0 would store 175 hours of power

“But the maximum additional pumped hydro capacity Snowy 2.0 can create, in theory, is less than half this. The reasons are technical, and you can read more here.
It comes down to a) the amount of time and electricity required to replenish the dam at the top of the system, and b) the fact that for Snowy 2.0 to operate at full capacity, dams used by the existing hydro project will have to be emptied. This will result in “lost” water and by extension, lost electricity production.”


https://theconversation.com/nsw-has-approved-snowy-2-0-here-are-six-reasons-why-...

So less than 175 hours then.

And yet we are expected to believe renewables can power industrial nations like Australia.

Plus batteries they tell us are merely to smooth the output of the renewables.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #232 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 5:11pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Lee would you like to have another got at giving a straight answer?


Well I see you have at last got a straight question.

freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
How long do you think we would have to store the radioactive waste with a half life of 24,000 years?


"The spent fuel of a nuclear reactor contains plutonium-239, which has a half-life of 24,000 years. If 1 barrel containing 10kg of plutonium-239 is sealed, how many years must pass until only 10g

of plutonium-239 is left?
Show Solution

239,179 years"  But that's 10g it doesn't show the level of radiation.

freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Forever and free doesn't exactly lend you any credibility.


Seeing as you haven't come up with anything different, the credibility problem is yours.


I'm not the one saying we should go down the nuclear path. You are. And yet you cannot answer some of the most fundamental questions.

How long would we have to store the waste for, and how much would that cost?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #233 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
I'm not the one saying we should go down the nuclear path. You are. And yet you cannot answer some of the most fundamental questions.


And yet your opposition doesn't extend to what you query.

BTW - The level of PU298 uses a linear no threshold base for atomic workers, and the risk of infection in uncut or diseased skin is reckoned low.

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timeters and in living tissue only about
30 micrometers (which is equal to 3 to
5 cell diameters) before they expend
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ter distance is less than the thinnest part
of the epidermis (the dead layer of
external skin cells). It is also less than
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paper (about 100 micrometers). Fortu-
nately, therefore, the penetration power
of alpha particles is limited. A mere
sheet of paper or the outer layers of our
skin will block their passage—see
Figure 1(b). "


https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/doe/lanl/pubs/00818013.pdf

freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
How long would we have to store the waste for, and how much would that cost?


You are the one who says it is expensive. You tell us.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #234 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:46pm
 
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And yet your opposition doesn't extend to what you query.


Nuclear is both too expensive and unsafe. It is already too expensive, and we have not even figured out how to store the waste safely. It does not make sense on any level.

How long do you think we would have to store the waste for, and how much would that cost?
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Reply #235 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm
 
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #236 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:01pm
 
Ah the cook's louse reduced to emoji's. Wink
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Reply #237 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:05pm
 

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #238 - Mar 17th, 2024 at 7:31pm
 
Looks like Bbwian's ball have been once again nailed to the floor.
It makes him yawn, eunuch he is.
No balls to nail, only the empty sack. Tsk, tsk  Shocked Shocked
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