Australian Politics Forum - Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #270 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:39pm Quote: And I quoted your reference which says it is not. Not what? Who do you think is offering to store radioactive waste for free?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17684 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #271 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:41pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 3:47pm: All factors that need to be built. You mean like wind turbines, solar panels, batteries?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #272 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:42pm

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

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And I quoted your reference which says it is not.

Not what?

The cost of nuclear. That is the only reference you quoted. Do try to keep up.

BTW - Your reference to the Referendum was notable because it only catered to the left wing. Here they actually surveyed left wing voters.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #273 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:47pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

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And I quoted your reference which says it is not.

Not what?

The cost of nuclear. That is the only reference you quoted. Do try to keep up.

BTW - Your reference to the Referendum was notable because it only catered to the left wing. Here they actually surveyed left wing voters.

What is not the cost of nuclear? Are you having trouble talking in sentences Lee? Or are you just afraid to say what you want to say, because it is getting so obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about?

Who do you think is offering to store radioactive waste for free? Do you think the coalition's plan involves dumping nuclear waste in the nearest creek?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17684 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #274 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:55pm freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:47pm: What is not the cost of nuclear? Another misquote. I cited your "the cost of nuclear is too expensive" where your own reference shows the cost as CA16.6c/kwh. Therefore it is NOT too expensive. You are clearly muddled. Time to take your meds.
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Reply #275 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:57pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:55pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

What is not the cost of nuclear?

Another misquote. I cited your "the cost of nuclear is too expensive" where your own reference shows the cost as CA16.6c/kwh. Therefore it is NOT too expensive.

You are clearly muddled. Time to take your meds. Roll Eyes

I said nuclear is the most expensive option.

Who do you think is offering to store radioactive waste for free? Do you think the coalition's plan involves dumping nuclear waste in the nearest creek?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17684 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #276 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:13pm freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:57pm: I said nuclear is the most expensive option. And your reference shows it is not the most expensive option. freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2024 at 6:46pm: Nuclear is both too expensive and unsafe.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41932	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #277 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:15pm lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 3:47pm: All factors that need to be built. You mean like wind turbines, solar panels, batteries?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #278 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:17pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

I said nuclear is the most expensive option.

And your reference shows it is not the most expensive option. Roll Eyes

No it doesn't. Obviously not every power plant costs the same. You could cherry pick the cheapest ever version of any other power technology, but you would be naive to think that Australia could build it first ever nuclear power plant cheaper than anyone else has ever done it. Do you think that is the coalition's plan? Do you think they are also out to deliberately mislead people about the realistic cost of nuclear?

Did you know that the efficiency of a thermal power station depends on the ambient temperature, with it getting less efficient in hot weather?

Who do you think is offering to store radioactive waste for free? Do you think the coalition's plan involves dumping nuclear waste in the nearest creek?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17684 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #279 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:18pm freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:17pm: No it doesn't. No it doesn't what?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #280 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:32pm

whiteknight wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 10:21am:

Australia should not go down the dangerous, and expensive nuclear path. We should be thinking about more renewables. Thanks Mr Bowen for keeping the nuclear ban. If people want nuclear, then take it to the election in 2025, and decide that way. Sad

Bowen like you is a renewables wanker.

It is far more expensive across the board than coal fired generation.

We have shyte loads of coal that we export but can't use.... just like our gas. It's cheap as compared to this renewable nonsense which has a higher maintenance(especially if they go ahead with offshore wind farms), lower life span & recycling problems. Pumped hydro is also expensive & inefficient.

The only people making money out of renewables are the foreign manufacturers & installers. Mining & Energy companies jumping onboard are only doing it because they see a dollar to be made off the govt & the taxpayer. These are the same people you whinged about jacking up electricity prices from coal fired generation.

Do you honestly think renewables would ever be cheaper considering all factors of inefficiency & unreliability?

The nett zero emissions push is an ideological pipedream.

Enjoy a darker future because that's where we are headed.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #281 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:50pm

Chwissy Bowels and Adamite Bandit are much smarter than all those countries that have or are building nuclear reactors.

Chrissy represents the McMahon electorate, Adamite the Melbourne green hair belt.
Chwissy's people:
According to the 2016 census, 42.3% of people spoke only English at home. Other languages spoken at home include Arabic 12.8%, Vietnamese 4.8%, Assyrian Neo-Aramaic 4.1%, Spanish 2.1% and Mandarin 2.1%.[4]

How can they afford it???

Sweden population, 10 million, Finland, 5 million, Czeckia 10 million, Switzerland, 8 million.

Chwissy knows better.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #282 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:50pm

freediver posted a link to wiki quoting costs by source.

Here are a few -

Nuclear - $81-82 / MWh
Distributed Generation (wind) Because the turbines are not and cannot be co-located - $32-219 / MWh
Offshore wind - $36-146 / MWh
Solar photovoltaic - $31-146 / MWh
Solar PV with storage - $53-81 / MWh

But nuclear is considered to be "too expensive". Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #283 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:55pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

No it doesn't.

No it doesn't what?

Can you not figure it out for yourself Lee?

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

I said nuclear is the most expensive option.

And your reference shows it is not the most expensive option. Roll Eyes

No it doesn't. Obviously not every power plant costs the same. You could cherry pick the cheapest ever version of any other power technology, but you would be naive to think that Australia could build it first ever nuclear power plant cheaper than anyone else has ever done it. Do you think that is the coalition's plan? Do you think they are also out to deliberately mislead people about the realistic cost of nuclear?

Did you know that the efficiency of a thermal power station depends on the ambient temperature, with it getting less efficient in hot weather?

Who do you think is offering to store radioactive waste for free? Do you think the coalition's plan involves dumping nuclear waste in the nearest creek?

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #284 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:56pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

freediver posted a link to wiki quoting costs by source.

Here are a few -

Nuclear - $81-82 / MWh
Distributed Generation (wind) Because the turbines are not and cannot be co-located - $32-219 / MWh
Offshore wind - $36-146 / MWh
Solar photovoltaic - $31-146 / MWh
Solar PV with storage - $53-81 / MWh

But nuclear is considered to be "too expensive". Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Looks to me like Nuclear is the most expensive option.

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