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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #315 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 11:00am:

Dick Smith says no country has ever been able to run entirely on renewables. Is that correct? conclusion - false. Smiley

What utter rubbish. Note that these 'several countrys' are not named and Tasmania has no heavy industry and has a cable connecting it to the mainland for when its hydro cannot meet demand. Roll Eyes

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Reply #316 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 12:40pm

Ah I see. They run on hydro. Of course to have a proper hydro scheme you need enough water that you don't have to pump it back uphill. Roll Eyes

But it is always we just need to build more. Grin

"To date, 61 countries have enacted policies calling for 100% renewable electricity."

https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/

Plans for 61 countries is not the same as having achieved it. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #317 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:31pm

lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Ah I see. They run on hydro. Of course to have a proper hydro scheme you need enough water that you don't have to pump it back uphill. Roll Eyes

But it is always we just need to build more. Grin

"To date, 61 countries have enacted policies calling for 100% renewable electricity."

https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/

Plans for 61 countries is not the same as having achieved it. Roll Eyes

Are you suggesting their plans are as ill-considered as the coalition's?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #318 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:31pm: Are you suggesting their plans are as ill-considered as the coalition's? It goes back to the basic question as to which countries, without hydro, can run on Renewables entirely.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #319 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:05pm

lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:31pm:

Are you suggesting their plans are as ill-considered as the coalition's?

It goes back to the basic question as to which countries, without hydro, can run on Renewables entirely. Wink

We all could run purely on renewables. Same with any other technology you choose, so long as it works. Your meaningless propaganda has no meaning.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #320 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:18pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:05pm: We all could run purely on renewables. Even an industrialised nation? How much overbuild would be required to meet 100% renewables 100% of the time?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #321 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:22pm

lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:18pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:05pm:

We all could run purely on renewables.

Even an industrialised nation? How much overbuild would be required to meet 100% renewables 100% of the time?

You are asking the wrong question. No technology has 100% availability. There is no such thing as fixed demand or even an absolutely quantifiable demand. This concept is part historical accident, part propaganda.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #322 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:45pm

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:22pm:

You are asking the wrong question. No technology has 100% availability. There is no such thing as fixed demand or even an absolutely quantifiable demand. This concept is part historical accident, part propaganda.

So then we cannot run our nation on 100% renewables. Roll Eyes

There is indeed baseload capacity.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #323 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:50pm Quote: So then we cannot run our nation on 100% renewables. Yes we can. You are confused Lee. And no technology is 100% reliable.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #324 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:12pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:50pm: Yes we can. So how much overbuild is required to meet 100% renewable 97% of the time? BTW - renewables is not ONE technology.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #325 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:15pm lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:12pm: freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:50pm: Yes we can. So how much overbuild is required to meet 100% renewable 97% of the time? Your sentence does not make sense. All we have to do to "meet" 100% renewables is turn off the non-renewables.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #326 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 4:29pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:15pm: Your sentence does not make sense. All we have to do to "meet" 100% renewables is turn off the non-renewables. Which will of course not meet the needs of our country. What part of that did you not understand?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #327 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 4:34pm

lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 4:29pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 3:15pm:

Your sentence does not make sense. All we have to do to "meet" 100% renewables is turn off the non-renewables.

Which will of course not meet the needs of our country. What part of that did you not understand? Roll Eyes

What you are asking me. Do you recall me explaining that there is no such thing as fixed or absolutely quantifiable demand? Do you realise that if I cannot tell you what the demand is, it is stupid to ask me how the details on how I think we will meet it? Overbuild has no real meaning in a real market economy.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #328 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:09pm

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Do you recall me explaining that there is no such thing as fixed or absolutely quantifiable demand?

So no such thing as baseload power, like that needed to keep hospitals etc running? Got it.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Overbuild has no real meaning in a real market economy.

Of course it does. Renewables operate between 25% and 35% capacity factor as a percentage of nameplate capacity. You need at least 3 time overbuild and have to hope that is enough at any one time. Roll Eyes

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5427 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #329 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:19pm Renewable cultists take note: https://stopthesethings.com/2024/03/20/europes-wind-industry-collapse-leaves-win...
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