freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:22pm:



Baseload power is merely the ability to provide power as and when needed. With renewables that can't be guaranteed.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:22pm:


No they rely on fossil fuel generators. With no fossil fuel there will be no generators.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:22pm:


The country needs to be able to power all the manufacturing and service industries.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:55pm:


But with 3 technologies there is no guarantee.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:55pm:


Probably not apart from whilst waiting for the genies to kick in. They have batteries for the electric start.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 5:55pm:


No but they have a certain expectation.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:


To have power when they need it.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:


And yet anywhere there is renewables power prices have risen. Germany is a case in point. Enough renewables, on paper, to drive their economy.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 8:43pm:


I notice you didn't reference electricity prices in Germany. freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 8:43pm:


Ok. The price for offshore wind up to $216/MWh. Let alone the price for wind distribution. 

Nowhere did I say or even indicate they weren't real. Even at average offshore wind is dearer than nuclear. Just because you refuse to believe the price of wind distribution which has to be added to wind price. Unless you mean the electricity will not be collected.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03pm:


Because it is in the plans of both NSW and Victoria. It has better wind characteristics but has higher costs.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03pm:


Both NSW and Victoria have Labor Governments.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03pm:


Then you should have no trouble providing the exact quotes.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03pm:


And it is because wind farms are large, you have to have the distribution system to capture the electricity.

Remember you said it was only small turbines?

"Distributed wind energy is a distributed energy resource, meaning it produces a smaller-scale unit of power. In this case, it comprises one or more wind turbines, which range from a kilowatt to several megawatts in capacity. "

https://www.nrel.gov/research/re-wind.html

Or this -

"Definition of Distributed Wind in IEA Task 41
• Wind turbines deployed in a distributed application
• Connected at a distribution voltage (nominally 70 kV) or below
• Behind the meter, in front of the meter, or in an off-grid application.
• In this context, DW is inclusive of all scales of wind turbine technologies and is agnostic to business model, although in some instances, such as technology standards, more specific industry segregation is included."

https://iea-wind.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Distributed-Wind-integration-to-...

In Australia they are operated at 33KV, so they are distributed.

https://aemo.com.au/-/media/files/electricity/nem/security_and_reliability/repor...

Figure7-1 and 7-2.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03pm:


Nope. I just ignored you.

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:


And you think we have experience with wind & solar? 

If we did we wouldn't be going down this ridiculous path. The is a massive recycling waste problem coming with them.

Wind & solar are not cheap and it's not reliable.

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:


Gas is also a fossil fuel ..... no?

Hydraulic fracked gas is dirtier than coal. It's just that you don't get to see what it does hidden underground. And rogue(escaping) gases cannot been seen with the human eye.

The the threat of contamination to underground aquifers is exponential. Be wonderful for the country if the  CSG industry contaminate the Great Artesian Basin.

Then there's the lunatic idea called coal seam gasification ...... where they ignite coal seams underground & collect the escaping gases.

That was fortunately banned after a trial in QLD.... but then the idiots in Sth Australia thought that might be a good idea down there - no one learns.

Renewable fanatics rave about the environmental eyesore of open cut mines & conveniently for get the 1000's of acres of eyesores on the landscape that wind & solar farms create. Plus all the new corridors bulldozed for the extensive powerlines & substations to hook them onto the grid.

We have the coal - but we can't use it
We have the gas - but we can't use it

We sell it to other countries who use it to generate power ...

countries whose emissions we don't even compare to because our are so small.

And we go down the path of so called renewables to an unreliable power future .... where we will end up as a net importer of everything.