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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #345 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:38am Quote: The the threat of contamination to underground aquifers is exponential. Do you know what this means?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #346 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:45am

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:

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No but they have a certain expectation.

What do they expect? Whatever the coalition propaganda tells them to expect?

There will be plenty of industries eager to take advantage of the regular dirt cheap electricity prices we will get with renewables. Once money is involved, people's expectations tent to rapidly adjust to reality.

What a ridiculous statement .... there will be no "dirt cheap" electricity prices from renewables.

Are you suggesting more taxpayer funded subsidies?

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #347 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:48am

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:38am:

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The the threat of contamination to underground aquifers is exponential.

Do you know what this means?

Yes the process of unconventional horizontal hydraulic fracturing of underground coal seams to extract gas greatly increases the risk of contamination of underground aquifers.

You didn't?

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Reply #348 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 9:03am

Gnads wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:45am:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:

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No but they have a certain expectation.

What do they expect? Whatever the coalition propaganda tells them to expect?

There will be plenty of industries eager to take advantage of the regular dirt cheap electricity prices we will get with renewables. Once money is involved, people's expectations tent to rapidly adjust to reality.

What a ridiculous statement .... there will be no "dirt cheap" electricity prices from renewables.

Are you suggesting more taxpayer funded subsidies?

No. I am suggesting that the supply will be more variable. It is already happening now. Sometimes the price skyrockets due to some shortage, like when that turbine up in QLD threw a rotor. Sometimes it is close enough to being free.

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You didn't?

I was not sure why you said exponential. That doesn't really make sense.

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #349 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:06am

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 9:03am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 8:45am:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 6:20pm:

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No but they have a certain expectation.

What do they expect? Whatever the coalition propaganda tells them to expect?

There will be plenty of industries eager to take advantage of the regular dirt cheap electricity prices we will get with renewables. Once money is involved, people's expectations tent to rapidly adjust to reality.

What a ridiculous statement .... there will be no "dirt cheap" electricity prices from renewables.

Are you suggesting more taxpayer funded subsidies?

No. I am suggesting that the supply will be more variable. It is already happening now. Sometimes the price skyrockets due to some shortage, like when that turbine up in QLD threw a rotor. Sometimes it is close enough to being free.

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You didn't?

I was not sure why you said exponential. That doesn't really make sense.

The threat/risk being rapidly increased?

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Exponential means growing or increasing very rapidly.

The risk/threat of contamination is exponential

= rapidly increased.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #350 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 10:19am So you are not aware of the specific mathematical meaning of exponential?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17662 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #351 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 6:11pm freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 5:04am: Lee is this you tricking yourself into believing the $25-75 electricity price from wind given by the wikipedia article does not actually exist? It is the price for one turbine not connected to the grid. I see you couldn't backup your claim re - panties.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #352 - Mar 23^rd, 2024 at 7:21pm Quote: It is the price for one turbine not connected to the grid. What makes you think that? Do you think the coalition lies to the public as eagerly as you do?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17662 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #353 - Mar 24^th, 2024 at 2:51pm "LCOE does not take account of the additional costs associated with each technology and in particular the significant integration costs of variable renewable electricity generation technologies" https://www.csiro.au/-/media/Energy/GenCost/GenCost2023-24Consultdraft_20231219-...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #354 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 9:45am Are you saying the $27–75 for wind power, which you left out of your comparison with Nuclear ($81–82) is the LCOE and omits integration costs? Did you know that those two prices leave out the cost of fuel?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #355 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:35pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Are you saying the $27–75 for wind power, which you left out of your comparison with Nuclear ($81–82) is the LCOE and omits integration costs?

That's what the CSIRO says. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Did you know that those two prices leave out the cost of fuel?

Nope it doesn't.

"Levelised cost of electricity (LCOE) data is an electricity generation technology comparison metric. It is the total unit costs a generator must recover to meet all its costs including a return on investment."

" The cost range overlaps slightly with the lower end of the cost range for coal and gas generation. However, the lower end of the range for coal and gas is only achievable if they can deliver a high capacity factor, source low cost fuel and be financed at a rate that does not include climate policy risk despite their high emissions."

So it includes fuel. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #356 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:26pm

lee wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Are you saying the $27–75 for wind power, which you left out of your comparison with Nuclear ($81–82) is the LCOE and omits integration costs?

That's what the CSIRO says. Roll Eyes

No it doesn't. Do you think the coalition is as confused as you by the internet?

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #357 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

More from the CSIRO -

"The most important factor to remember is that while we are hanging the generation source, maximum demand has not changed."

Of course once we get the mandated EV's and NO fossil fuels, it WILL go up. Gas hot water? Make it electric. Gas stoves? Make them electric. Wood stoves? Make them electric. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #358 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

lee wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Are you saying the $27–75 for wind power, which you left out of your comparison with Nuclear ($81–82) is the LCOE and omits integration costs?

That's what the CSIRO says. Roll Eyes

No it doesn't. Do you think the coalition is as confused as you by the internet?

Were you telling lies again Lee?

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5426 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #359 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 12:26pm Lies from the ABC....https://www.2gb.com/lies-dick-smith-blasts-abc-fact-check-unit-after-2gb-intervi...
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