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Reply #360 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 8:49am
 
All the anti nukkers out there, have a read of this. It's a lengthy article but it will address all your concerns.

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/why-nuclear-is-the-best-energy
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Reply #361 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:18am
 
Does it address cost?

What lies did the ABC tell about Dick Smith?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #362 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:43am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Does it address cost?


It does, in great detail.

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:18am:
What lies did the ABC tell about Dick Smith?


Listen to the above link 2.15 on. 

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Reply #363 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:54am
 
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Listen to the above link 2.15 on.


No thanks. If Dick is not prepared to put his complaints in writing, that's enough to convince me he is spinning BS.

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It does, in great detail.


So how does that guy think the cost of nuclear compares with conventional wind (not offshore or backyard wind as Lee tried to misrepresent it)?

And how does he come up with a price for safely storing radioactive waste?
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Reply #364 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Dick Smith: A country cannot rely on solar and wind as an energy mix alone.

ABC: False
( Quoting Mark Diesendorf, UNSW)

Nepal runs many generators of the fossil fuel variety. Iceland etc have hydro and thermal. Australia has tried thermal, it failed. And we don't have an overabundance of water for pumped hydro, which is in reality a large battery.


ABC" Quoting Andrew Blakers ANUI:  “Several detailed studies show that [getting to] 100 per cent renewables based mostly on solar and wind is quite straightforward, provided that enough transmission and storage is built.”

Storage is not a feature of Solar and Wind. Transmission costs will be high as well.

ABC: Expert Mark Jacobson - When it came to regions with a comparable or greater population size to that of Australia, Professor Jacobson pointed to the US state of California, which has a population of around 39 million. As of Tuesday this week, he said, the state, which is aiming for 100 per cent carbon-free electricity by 2045, had “been running on more than 100 per cent WWS for 10 out of the last 11 days for between 0.25 and 6 hours per day”.

Wow, you can run a country for between 0.25 and 6 hours a day on solar and wind.

So were they truths as to the claim? Roll Eyes
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Reply #365 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:20pm
 
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So were they truths as to the claim?


Can anyone translate that from gibberish to English?
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Reply #366 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
Poor FD. Lost in English. Wink

Were the ABC's claims true about solar and wind?
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Reply #367 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:47pm
 
You mean this one?

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ABC" Quoting Andrew Blakers ANUI:  “Several detailed studies show that [getting to] 100 per cent renewables based mostly on solar and wind is quite straightforward, provided that enough transmission and storage is built.”


Sounds fairly simple and plausible to me.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #368 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:54am:
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Listen to the above link 2.15 on.


No thanks. If Dick is not prepared to put his complaints in writing, that's enough to convince me he is spinning BS.

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It does, in great detail.


So how does that guy think the cost of nuclear compares with conventional wind (not offshore or backyard wind as Lee tried to misrepresent it)?

And how does he come up with a price for safely storing radioactive waste?


Everything is explained in the article, if you would take the time to read it.
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Reply #369 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:47pm:
Sounds fairly simple and plausible to me.


Except storage is not a function of wind or solar. Roll Eyes
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Reply #370 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 2:47pm:
Sounds fairly simple and plausible to me.


Except storage is not a function of wind or solar. Roll Eyes


So what?

Powerlines are also not wind or water or coal, but you need them, and no-one would be stupid enough to argue a coal-based power grid is not possible because it wouldn't have power lines.

We have had major grid-connected storage systems since at least 1973. Prior to that, the power just went out whenever there was a problem. Apparently the world didn't end.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #371 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:25pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 9:54am:
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Listen to the above link 2.15 on.


No thanks. If Dick is not prepared to put his complaints in writing, that's enough to convince me he is spinning BS.

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It does, in great detail.


So how does that guy think the cost of nuclear compares with conventional wind (not offshore or backyard wind as Lee tried to misrepresent it)?

And how does he come up with a price for safely storing radioactive waste?


Everything is explained in the article, if you would take the time to read it.


It has not helped you, so why would you advise others to read it?
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Reply #372 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Powerlines are also not wind or water or coal, but you need them, and no-one would be stupid enough to argue a coal-based power grid is not possible because it wouldn't have power lines.


And I said nothing about them. Though wind and solar need them also, except more so as they are remote. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
We have had major grid-connected storage systems since at least 1973.


And they haven't been enough. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Apparently the world didn't end.


No one said the world ended. It doesn't help a country's economy. Roll Eyes

Wind and solar do need storage as they are not sources of despatchable energy. They only work when the weather agrees.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #373 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:47pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Powerlines are also not wind or water or coal, but you need them, and no-one would be stupid enough to argue a coal-based power grid is not possible because it wouldn't have power lines.


And I said nothing about them. Though wind and solar need them also, except more so as they are remote. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
We have had major grid-connected storage systems since at least 1973.


And they haven't been enough. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:24pm:
Apparently the world didn't end.


No one said the world ended. It doesn't help a country's economy. Roll Eyes

Wind and solar do need storage as they are not sources of despatchable energy. They only work when the weather agrees.


Nuclear and coal also need storage. Only a complete moron, or someone out to deceive the public, would insist that an electricity supply based on renewables is not possible, but the out the "because it would come with storage" part.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #374 - Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
Nuclear and coal also need storage.


Only of the input. Not the output. Roll Eyes

What electricity storage do they need? Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
would insist that an electricity supply based on renewables is not possible, but the out the "because it would come with storage" part.



Now you aren't making sense. Chinglish?

But you could try and tell us which countries rely on 100% wind and solar. Roll Eyes
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