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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #45 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 9:21am

Lets talk about Nuclear Waste!!!

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AUKUS’ nuclear waste dump is the secret no-one talks about. So what’ll it cost?

The $360 billion cost of AUKUS might be startling, but on top of that is another undiscussed figure: the cost of building storage for nuclear waste.

The secret within that secret was that Australia would be responsible for the radioactive waste generated by its involvement in the AUKUS program. For the first time, Australia had signed up to construct a storage facility for high-grade nuclear waste, robust enough to last 1000 years

In 2016, a royal commission in South Australia made a stab at calculating the cost of establishing a storage facility for radioactive waste. It was part of a push for the state to build an industry as an international nuclear waste dump.

A specialist consulting firm estimated the cost of the construction, decommissioning and closure of the facility to be about $41 billion. This included a new port, road, rail, airport and other infrastructure for what would be a remote location. Total operating costs — including labour, contracted services, maintenance and equipment — were estimated at $877.7 million a year in the first 40 years and $765.2 million after that. This produced a total capital and operating cost estimated to be $145.3 billion over the 120-year life of the project.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/07/24/aukus-nuclear-waste-dump-cost-australia/

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #46 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am

lee wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Tell that the residents of Sellafield, 3 mile Island, Chernabyl and Fukashima

Sellafield? 1957? Wow. Nuclear has not advanced since? Roll Eyes

3 Mile Island? "Local activism in the 1980s, based on anecdotal reports of negative health effects, led to scientific studies being commissioned. A variety of epidemiology studies have concluded that the accident had no observable long-term health effects."...wiki

Fukushima? An earthquake and tsunami with the pumps below the reactor. And no adverse health effects.

They were all accidents involving the nuclear industry. All have long term health effects. You cannot argue they represent the idea that nuclear reactors are safe. They are not. I note you didn't try and argue Chernabyl was safe, you're not that big an idiot. Mistakes happen, accidents happen. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #47 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

They were all accidents involving the nuclear industry.

Yes and things were learned. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

You cannot argue they represent the idea that nuclear reactors are safe. They are not.

They are. You have cited 4 accidents in 65 years.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

I note you didn't try and argue Chernabyl was safe, you're not that big an idiot.

Chernobyl was an old design and poorly maintained by the Russians. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #48 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:04pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 8:18am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Tell that the residents of Sellafield, 3 mile Island, Chernabyl and Fukashima, Belgarion. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us how many people were harmed by radiation in each of these incidents. Roll Eyes

Cumulatively? Millions. The problem with your demand for casualties is that casualties are hidden, Belgarion. You cannot claim there were none because babies yet born are likely to develop Cancer as a consequence of events decades ago. Radiation lasts for thousands of years. Can you guarantee that you won't develop Cancer from Sellafield/Chernabyl/Fukashima? I can't. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #49 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

So how long do you think it would take to make all the necessary legislative changes? Or are you suggesting that our country is so lacking in "green tape" that we could start building nuclear power plants after repealing a single law?

Nope I never said or even implied that. It could be done in months if not sooner.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

You cannot build a power plant in many earmarked locations.

Why is that?

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

How long do you think that would take?

Another month. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #50 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

They were all accidents involving the nuclear industry.

Yes and things were learned. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

You cannot argue they represent the idea that nuclear reactors are safe. They are not.

They are. You have cited 4 accidents in 65 years.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

I note you didn't try and argue Chernabyl was safe, you're not that big an idiot.

Chernobyl was an old design and poorly maintained by the Russians. Roll Eyes

Can you gurantee that you won't develop Cancer from these accidents, Lee? How about from Operations HURRICANE and TOTEM, which occurred in Australia? We are all vulnerable to radiation leaks and tests from decades ago. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5427 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #51 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:15pm Have a read of this and tell us how dangerous nuclear power is. https://energycentral.com/c/ec/deaths-nuclear-energy-compared-other-causes BTW Brian, do you like bananas? Something to ponder here. https://theconversation.com/are-bananas-really-radioactive-an-expert-clears-up-c...
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #52 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

Can you gurantee that you won't develop Cancer from these accidents, Lee?

I can't guarantee not getting cancer from many different types of accident. Use of Class B fire fighting foam being one. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

How about from Operations HURRICANE and TOTEM, which occurred in Australia?

Actually Hurricane was on the Monte Bellos, not IN Australia.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

We are all vulnerable to radiation leaks and tests from decades ago.

So then you can show how you are affected, seeing as we ALL are at risk. Roll Eyes

Your hype is getting the better of you.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #53 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:17pm John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 8:18am: Like the one at Hyams Beach, in the middle of Jervis Bay national Park and Marine Park? That appears to be untrue. There does appear to be one at Murrays Beach.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #54 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

Can you gurantee that you won't develop Cancer from these accidents, Lee?

I can't guarantee not getting cancer from many different types of accident. Use of Class B fire fighting foam being one. Roll Eyes

That is another but there are radiation leaks as well.

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

How about from Operations HURRICANE and TOTEM, which occurred in Australia?

Actually Hurricane was on the Monte Bellos, not IN Australia.

The Monte Bello Islands are part of Australia. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

We are all vulnerable to radiation leaks and tests from decades ago.

So then you can show how you are affected, seeing as we ALL are at risk. Roll Eyes

Your hype is getting the better of you.

And yours is doing the same, "Nukes are safe as houses! Nukes are hindered by Greentape" to name a few pieces of your propaganda. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74634 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #55 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:50pm lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:17pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 8:18am: Like the one at Hyams Beach, in the middle of Jervis Bay national Park and Marine Park? That appears to be untrue. There does appear to be one at Murrays Beach. Ok Murrays beach, same scenario.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream Reply #56 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:17pm John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:50pm: Ok Murrays beach, same scenario. And some may not now be viable. It doesn't mean ALL will not be viable.
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #57 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

That is another but there are radiation leaks as well.

Where are these leaks? You are using present tense.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

The Monte Bello Islands are part of Australia.

BUT they are not IN Australia. So what happened to the Montebello's?

Oh that's right they allow camping and fishing.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

"Nukes are safe as houses! Nukes are hindered by Greentape" to name a few pieces of your propaganda.

So is it propaganda? It is true. Houses have been known to fall down, as have apartment buildings. So tell us where you think greentape is untrue. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #58 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:15pm

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

That is another but there are radiation leaks as well.

Where are these leaks? You are using present tense.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

The Monte Bello Islands are part of Australia.

BUT they are not IN Australia. So what happened to the Montebello's?

Oh that's right they allow camping and fishing.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:34pm:

"Nukes are safe as houses! Nukes are hindered by Greentape" to name a few pieces of your propaganda.

So is it propaganda? It is true. Houses have been known to fall down, as have apartment buildings. So tell us where you think greentape is untrue. Roll Eyes

As I said, "Greentape" exists for a reason. It stops fools like you from running rampant to the detriment of the environment and people. Until you can prove you are safe you are considered unsafe as far as development goes. You would love to be able to spew radioactivity across the countryside to the detriment of the environment. You would love to just put a reactor where you want without regard to people. Lee you are a danger to yourself and everybody else. Oh, poor, poor, Lee, held back by terrible "Greentape" from being able to spew radioactivity everywhere. Boo, hoo. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #59 - Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:17pm

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Ok Murrays beach, same scenario.

And some may not now be viable. It doesn't mean ALL will not be viable. Roll Eyes

Viable or not, NOTHING will happen quickly. It doesn't matter where you put it, you'll spend years fighting the locals in courts who will try to prevent it

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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