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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #60 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:28pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 1:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 12:34pm:
That is another but there are radiation leaks as well.


Where are these leaks? You are using present tense.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 12:34pm:
The Monte Bello Islands are part of Australia.


BUT they are not IN Australia. So what happened to the Montebello's?

Oh that's right they allow camping and fishing.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 12:34pm:
"Nukes are safe as houses!  Nukes are hindered by Greentape" to name a few pieces of your propaganda.


So is it propaganda? It is true. Houses have been known to fall down, as have apartment buildings. So tell us where you think greentape is untrue. Roll Eyes


As I said, "Greentape" exists for a reason.  It stops fools like you from running rampant to the detriment of the environment and people.  Until you can prove you are safe you are considered unsafe as far as development goes.  You would love to be able to spew radioactivity across the countryside to the detriment of  the environment.  You would love to just put a reactor where you want without regard to people.  Lee you are a danger to yourself and everybody else.  Oh, poor, poor, Lee, held back by terrible "Greentape" from being able to spew radioactivity everywhere.  Boo, hoo.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are the radioactive emissions from a nuclear vs a coal fired power station?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #61 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:15am:
So how long do you think it would take to make all the necessary legislative changes? Or are you suggesting that our country is so lacking in "green tape" that we could start building nuclear power plants after repealing a single law?

Nope I never said or even implied that. It could be done in months if not sooner.


How many months?

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freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:15am:
You cannot build a power plant in many earmarked locations.


Why is that?


Can you not read? Or think for yourself? It is explained in the bit you left out of the quote, the very next sentence - you have to choose a single location. Earmarking a lot of locations is not the same thing as selecting one.

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How long do you think that would take?

Another month. Roll Eyes


A month to select the location of our very first nuclear power plant? That's a bit naive don't you think? Even a pretend public consultation period takes longer than that.

So we have "months" to make the necessary legislative changes. Another month to select the location. How long do you think it would take to prepare the tender documentation?
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Reply #62 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
How many months?

3

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
Earmarking a lot of locations is not the same thing as selecting one.


But it gives a range of options. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
A month to select the location of our very first nuclear power plant? That's a bit naive don't you think? Even a pretend public consultation period takes longer than that.


It depends on how real the attempt is. Wink

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
How long do you think it would take to prepare the tender documentation?


2 months
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Reply #63 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:55pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:17pm:
It doesn't matter where you put it, you'll spend years fighting the locals in courts who will try to prevent it


yep. greentape. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #64 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:56pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:54pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
How many months?

3

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
Earmarking a lot of locations is not the same thing as selecting one.


But it gives a range of options. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
A month to select the location of our very first nuclear power plant? That's a bit naive don't you think? Even a pretend public consultation period takes longer than that.


It depends on how real the attempt is. Wink

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
How long do you think it would take to prepare the tender documentation?


2 months


Let's assume the government is doing a real public consultation process, in an effort to stay in power? How long do you think that would take?

And how long for the tenders to come back in?
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #65 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 5:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
It stops fools like you from running rampant to the detriment of the environment and people.


And yet the same concerns do not worry you for wind or solar. Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
You would love to be able to spew radioactivity across the countryside to the detriment of  the environment.


Please show where this radiation is coming from. Hint: It doesn't come from the power plants. There are radioactive emissions from coal.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Lee you are a danger to yourself and everybody else.



Poor Bwian. Gets lost in his own rhetoric. So tell us more on the Montebellos, You know the corals, that apparently can't survive climate change, but can survive atomic blasts. Wink
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #66 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 5:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
It stops fools like you from running rampant to the detriment of the environment and people.


And yet the same concerns do not worry you for wind or solar. Roll Eyes


What contamination or pollution occurs, Lee?

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
You would love to be able to spew radioactivity across the countryside to the detriment of  the environment.


Please show where this radiation is coming from. Hint: It doesn't come from the power plants. There are radioactive emissions from coal.


Which is why coal needs to be eliminated.

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Lee you are a danger to yourself and everybody else.


Poor Bwian. Gets lost in his own rhetoric. So tell us more on the Montebellos, You know the corals, that apparently can't survive climate change, but can survive atomic blasts. Wink


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The Montebello Islands were the site of three atmospheric nuclear weapon tests by the British military: one in 1952, and two in 1956.[9][10]

HMS Plym, moored in Main Bay on Trimouille Island, was the site of Operation Hurricane, the first-ever atomic weapon tested by the United Kingdom, on 3 October 1952.[11][12]

While subsequent British tests were conducted at sites on mainland Australia, in 1956 there were two land-sited tower-mounted tests, on Trimouille and Alpha Islands.[13] The second of these, codenamed "Mosaic G2", was the largest nuclear explosion in Australia, with an official yield of 60 kilotons. Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.[14][15][16]

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it is a forbidden island because of the 1952 nuclear testing and remain forbidden till 2027

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Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee? Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #67 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 8:25pm
 

Five pages so far reminding ourselves that the Libs and Labs are past their use-by date



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Reply #68 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:06pm
 
Coal is concentrated solar. Totally natural.

Co2 is plant food. Totally natural. Not pollution. A byproduct  of life and a food for life.




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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #69 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.


And the fatalities or cancers from that? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee?


So what is the residual radiation? Interested people want to know. Were they using LNT safeguards?

"The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency has classified the area as an “existing exposure situation” with radiation levels “not considered to be excessively dangerous”."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/08/radiation-hotspots-legacy...
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Reply #70 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:06am
 
The whole proposal is bonkers!!!

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'Will be starting from scratch': Report paints grim picture of Australia's long road to nuclear power

A four-year-old report on Australia's nuclear power prospects has cast doubt over Opposition Leader Peter Dutton's plan to introduce a nuclear industry in the country if elected, with the study claiming it would take "decades" to build the workforce required and is "naive" to think a power plant could be built in less than 20 years.


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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #71 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 10:22am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 9:06am:
The whole proposal is bonkers!!!

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'Will be starting from scratch': Report paints grim picture of Australia's long road to nuclear power

A four-year-old report on Australia's nuclear power prospects has cast doubt over Opposition Leader Peter Dutton's plan to introduce a nuclear industry in the country if elected, with the study claiming it would take "decades" to build the workforce required and is "naive" to think a power plant could be built in less than 20 years.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/will-be-starting-from-scratch-report-p...


The negativity and ignorance in some people is palpable.  India has nuclear power... Pakistan has nuclear power.... South Africa has nuclear power.....Bangladesh is building nuclear power plants!   Yet all these naysayers reckon it can't be done here. Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #72 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 11:19am
 
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.


And the fatalities or cancers from that? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee?


So what is the residual radiation? Interested people want to know. Were they using LNT safeguards?

"The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency has classified the area as an “existing exposure situation” with radiation levels “not considered to be excessively dangerous”."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/08/radiation-hotspots-legacy...


What that article tells us is that we just don't know what the long -term effects of nuclear testing are.  As contamination was detected as far away as Gladstone in Queensland, we have potentially hundreds of thousands affected.  You want more affected.  What happened to your claims about Operation HURRICANE and MOSAIC sites being now safe enough for camping, Lee?  Dead in the water, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Coalition's 10 Year Nuclear Claim Is A Dream
Reply #73 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 12:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 11:19am:
lee wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Mosaic G2 was later described as an "exceptionally dirty explosion", whose fallout contaminated large areas of mainland Australia, as far away as the Queensland towns of Mount Isa, Julia Creek, Longreach and Rockhampton.


And the fatalities or cancers from that? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 7:51pm:
Yeah, real safe, hey, Lee?


So what is the residual radiation? Interested people want to know. Were they using LNT safeguards?

"The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency has classified the area as an “existing exposure situation” with radiation levels “not considered to be excessively dangerous”."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/08/radiation-hotspots-legacy...


What that article tells us is that we just don't know what the long -term effects of nuclear testing are.  As contamination was detected as far away as Gladstone in Queensland, we have potentially hundreds of thousands affected.  You want more affected.  What happened to your claims about Operation HURRICANE and MOSAIC sites being now safe enough for camping, Lee?  Dead in the water, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are conflating nuclear weapons tests half a century ago with nuclear power plants of today. There is no comparison whatsoever.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Mar 13th, 2024 at 1:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 11:19am:
What that article tells us is that we just don't know what the long -term effects of nuclear testing are.  As contamination was detected as far away as Gladstone in Queensland, we have potentially hundreds of thousands affected.



Why is it that when your "radiation from Nuclear power plants" gained no traction are you going back even further in time? The two are only casually related. Like a 1830's electric car and today's EV's. Roll Eyes
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